woodelf68:

whitesheepcbd:

OK, rewatched the Rumbelle scenes and I have questions.

I found this line of Belle’s intriguing: 

Our child will better off waiting with me than being in debt to you. 

Why would the baby be in debt to Rumple? The only thing I can think of is for waking Belle & baby up, but that doesn’t really click for me. Why would Belle speak of their baby being in debt to its father? 

Also…when Belle woke up, she referred to their son playing the part of Morpheus to warn her. At NO point during the scene where Morpheus is talking to Belle, did anyone mention his name. So how did she know he was Morpheus?

Rumple’s transition from imp!Rumplestiltskin to Mr. Gold happened between these lines: 

Belle: Wha– What’s going on? 

Morpheus: Oh, I think you know…Mother. 

I’m sure that timing was very deliberate, but I can’t figure out the significance of it right now. Anyone else want to chime in?

Yes! I wondered about that debt line too, it doesn’t make sense to me. And also how did she know he was ‘playing at being Morpheus’? Even if his name was mentioned, how would she know whether he was the real Morpheus somehow or just someone else ‘playing’ at being the god of dreams? Maybe a line was cut in editing?

I get the feeling a lot was cut in editing. I was the episodes could be 3x as long heh 🙂 They certainly have the material and that way all characters could have the time they needed.

“Our child will better off waiting with me than being in debt to you.“ – This line is quite nonsensical because “waiting with me” means remaining in the sleeping curse, never getting born or growing up. To be honest this is one of the big red flags for me that suggest there was far more going on in that scene.

I’m coming more to the opinion that it wasn’t Belle’s dreamscape – it was Rumples and the Belle in it wasn’t Belle at all, but a conjured version as part of the dream. We only have ‘Morpheus’ word that they were sharing a dreamscape, what if they each had one of their own? Rumple gets to see his biggest fears play out, Belle obviously saw something similar. Only in that Rumple was probably emphasizing her worst fears, and maybe she got more assurance/proof which is why she believed it so much.

In the scene, she accepted that Morpheus was her son without any questioning really. I know that there was ‘true loves kiss’ but there was no distinctive flash and so I don’t think it really was. Hyde sent Rumple there, just as he sent Emma chasing after a red bird to find an oracle. He’s playing games and don’t all villains want to manipulate the dark one?

I don’t think Morpheus was their child. Perhaps he took on the image but I’m certain that was a lie, so as to better emotionally manipulate them both. Belle wants to do what is best for her child – for her childs future, so a warning from her child would be hard to ignore.

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In regards to the switch back from imp to Mr Gold. I think it was Morpheus trying to prove that it had all been a “cruel trick” as even his appearance had deceived her. It was yet another lie – playing along in her dreamscape (supposedly) and just more proof that nothing Rumple ever did could be trusted.

thatravenclawbitch:

So I’ve seen a bit of the spoilers from the episode and we were right that…

1. Morpheus is the Rumbaby
2. Rumbelle had a dream TLK
3. Morpheus TLK’d Belle awake
4. Emma’s big secret is that she’s gonna die

So, not bad at figuring out the master storytellers ™, guys.

Obviously I haven’t seen the episode so maybe this is addressed and I haven’t seen it, but why does Rumbaby hate Rumple? Can one week old fetuses hate (or love) anything? They are not cognizant. They are not capable of any thought much less complex emotion. He wasn’t actually like from the future or anything, was he? He just projected himself because it was his and Belle’s shared dream state? Also, since Rumbaby too was technically under the sleeping curse how did he wake Belle up? Can’t two cursed people not break each others curses or is that just fanon? But seriously, why does he hate Rumple already? Like Rumple has made some shitty choices in life, but he tried really hard to be a good dad. Bae’s last words were literally “I love you Papa”. So what’s this all about?

It wasn’t addressed, or at least I don’t think it was, but then it is only episode one. Personally, I don’t think we know enough to answer those questions with anything than theories but I’m always happy to theorize 🙂

Personally I’m not even convinced that was the Rumbaby. There was no distinctive flash for the true loves kiss, so I’m not convinced it was TLK. Plus, I don’t see how the baby could be ‘aware’ enough at this stage of development to even have an immature lashout based on Belle’s half of the story. I think someone might be playing games but we’ll find out I guess 🙂

The promo pictures for next week seem to suggest that Belle isn’t in the dreamworld anymore (that was one of my theories, that maybe her ‘waking up’ was actually a fakeout). I also wasn’t convinced that was Belle’s dreamscape, I thought it might be Rumples because of his cage and other reasons.

However, assuming that everything was real. I’m guessing that Rumbaby hates Rumple because he only has Belle’s half of the story – he’s getting his feelings from her and right now she is reeling. She decided to give Rumple another chance after the events of 4A (when they spent the night together) but they never resolved any of their issues.

Then she got hit with the series of revelations (pregnant, dark one again, Hades has a contract on the baby) and she stumbled around acting on instinct and fear. Went into the sleeping curse and now she’s overreacting. She wants to do what is best for her baby, for the babies future and what could be a bigger cosmic sign than actually hearing a warning from the baby. I’m more surprised Belle just believed it straight away but then she has always been quite reckless, impulsive and ruled by her emotions.

I don’t blame her one bit for her feelings. Rumple and Belle’s relationship is a mess but they both played a part in that, and I support them both. Personally I believe that this show arc is all about a journey towards self-acceptance. It’s playing out graphically for Regina vs the Evil Queen but all characters have that internal conflict. Belle needs some time but I have faith that all will be well in the end, it is after all only episode one 🙂

Plus, Rumple was very adamant about how much he loved Belle and their child, so his motivations are very clear and absolutely stated. So I’m not at all worried about where he stands. Family has always been his goal.

I have to admit though that the waking up scene felt rushed. To be honest I’m wondering if there is going to be a deleted/extended scene from that. It felt like that there was more that was said but not shown, might just have been me though.

I’m admitting to nothing *shifty looks* but … I might have seen the episode now thanks to someone very kind in the fandom.

*rubs hands together* oh man that was incredible. Where do I start? I did warn you guys I would be blogging the episode. This is over 4k of me going on a bit because it’s the premiere and I had a lot to say. I have split it into sections, so if you are only interested in say Rumbelle, you can skip everything else.

Full disclosure, I’m positive about almost everything but I’m not Hook or Zelena’s biggest fan, nor am I that enamored with how they are presenting CaptainSwan. I don’t think there’s any real character bashing though.

Oh and I don’t know about you guys but I’m not worried at all. I enjoyed the episode immensely and I will be watching again on Wednesday. Half because I pick up new details on a second viewing, but also because I don’t want Netflix to think they don’t need to add it because they definitely do.

Right there’s all the details in the world about Season Six, Episode One under the cut, so if you haven’t seen it yet, be warned 🙂

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Season 6 hasn’t been added to Netflix UK. I have to confess I’m kinda annoyed because so many sites reported it would be Monday and I got my hopes up. I’m all disappointed now hence the gif I chose to head this post. Anyway, it appears it’s going to be Wednesday after all 🙁

I will not be reading my feed until after I have seen the episode. So I would really appreciate it if you would consider this request. If you post something cool – art, fic, graphics etc. then please, please, please reblog at the end of the week. It’s not that I (or anyone else in my position) doesn’t care. It’s just that personally I want to be able to watch the episode, and form my own opinions, without being spoiled for every single detail.

I will still be posting fic, doing TMI Tuesday and replying to messages but please if you message me, or write on one of my posts, don’t go into detail about the previous Sunday’s episode until after Wednesday. I don’t want to know details heh.