Time Travel – Fanfic Trope

I don’t really see this on TV so much for obvious reasons because the universe has to be established, before someone can go back in time and want to change stuff. Zelena wanted to go for this but it never happened.

Last night I was wondering how people create angst because I don’t think I’m any good at it. I just want to bang people’s heads together and make them communicate and of course if they actually talk, then that usually fixes most things.

Then I couldn’t sleep and I started wondering about Rumbelle and True Loves Kiss in season 6, and how what if the consequences of that aren’t what we hope, but what could happen (worst case scenario I guess) based on their treatment on the show.

This could be a fic idea but it’s too sad I don’t want to write it. Major character death is something I usually don’t read because dead is dead, once it happens then there’s no fixing it and I like my happy endings.

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Step one, obviously the true loves kiss and this breaks the sleeping curse and the curse of the dark one. This would be an excellent starting point for their reconciliation, he would have proved beyond doubt that he loved Belle more than his power. However, it would render Rumple powerless and vulnerable.

Imagine then they come back to Storybrooke. They have a lot of reasons to do that, it’s their home. Neal’s grave is there, they both have family in town (though not family that cares about them) and well the show revolves around Storybrooke. Whenever they are out of town they fast-forward until they are back, and then do flashbacks to wherever they were. Except when they were in the underworld which was Underbrooke, so a little different.

Hook then finds out what Rumple did to Milah, throwing her in the river of lost souls. He could find out lots of different ways, maybe Henry writes the tale with the authors pen. Anyway, Hook’s default is revenge and it’s not exactly a great stretch to imagine him going after Rumple and now Rumple doesn’t have magic, Hook could finally kill him quite easily.

Emma and the Charmings would excuse it because it was Rumplestiltskin, he had done horrible things, he would likely do horrible things. What does it matter that the man was just crossing the street at the time? What did it matter that he was powerless? He was Rumplestiltskin, he was the dark one for centuries, he was the darkness and he wasn’t worthy of anymore chances etc. etc.

Belle is then pregnant and alone. I don’t imagine that they would care about her anymore now, than they ever did. However, as much as we would like Belle to yell and point out all the so-called heroes hypocritical failings, I don’t think she would. Mostly because I think she would realize that it wouldn’t change anything. They wouldn’t listen, they wouldn’t understand, they would just think she was being emotional and grieving. They would never believe that they were wrong, no matter what she said.

However, to ramp up the angst even more. I don’t think Belle would be able to stop helping the ‘heroes’ because she doesn’t do it for them. I think she does it because she genuinely believes it’s the right thing to do. That saving Storybrooke isn’t about the ‘heroes’, it’s about everyone else. The true qualities of a hero, forgiveness and compassion etc.

Belle would be all that baby had. If she went off to save Storybrooke and got herself killed ‘playing the hero’ then what would happen? She did what she believed was right and paid the ultimate price for it. Parents should be selfish, and leave the heroics to others but this show doesn’t do that. The Charmings are always abandoning baby Neal, Robin left Roland etc. It’s not a massive stretch to imagine it could happen.

What then? Belle would likely believe that no matter what the Charmings (and extended clan) thought of Rumple, that they would take care of a baby. However, they don’t exactly have the best track record with villains children – Maleficent and Lily anyone? I reckon that they would take the child, the ‘spawn of the dark one’, and dump it over the town line. They would take it far enough that it was found, it would be cared for and they just forget about it. Not their problem.

I wish that I believed that this was all ridiculous and it could never actually happen. Maybe I’m just a little cynical but I don’t think it’s all that out of character for anyone.

Right so when does the time travel come in? Well, it’s no fun spinning a plot like this, that has major character death because if they are dead, then they aren’t going to be reacting to what happened.

If Zelena raises baby Robyn, I could see that ending badly and turning her into wicked witch 2.0 who despises her mother, but who isn’t above taking a leaf out of her playbook – time travel.

I could also see Henry tracking down the Rumbelle child when he/she was 18 because they should know where they came from. To Wicked Witch 2.0 the Rumbelle child would be a good bargaining chip in the past. After all, time travel aside, he/she would be Rumple’s second born child and a convenient ‘extra’ to get rid of the contract still hanging over them in the past. Plus nobody knows more than Zelena what lengths Rumple would go to for his child, do you really think he would do much less for one torn out of time?

Cue a time portal opening back in Storybrooke (pick your season/moment) and 2.0 and a very pissed off Rumbelle child falling out. Bonus points if they drag some other grown up kids along, to yell at their parents for screwing them over so badly – hence why it’s a fanfic trope.

Could have this plot without the time travel at the end. That was just be majorly sad because there would be no fixing it. Rumple and Belle would be dead, their child abandoned to the welfare system, before getting a biased account of their parents and likely nothing else. For all Rumple’s apparent wealth in Storybrooke, I doubt that they would let the kid see any of it. Just misery all round, except for the Charming extended clan, who would lose nothing and everything would be alright in their world.

I’m a sucker for a happy ending and the “going back in time to scream at people” kinda makes for a happy ending. With communication could eventually become understanding, forgiveness and acceptance. Who knows, maybe seeing how their actions play out could even give the ‘heroes’ an outside perspective and make them change their careless ways.

bellegold:

Emilie said she thinks Rumple would be a pushover as a parent and we all know this is true thank you for the confirmation Emilie

Honestly does anybody think different? Rumple would dote on any child. The only time I can see him being strict is when it comes to a question of safety. He would definitely say “No” and be firm over anything that could possibly hurt them physically or emotionally. He would probably be very over-protective.

Merlin’s origins/the origins of magic – any theories?

I’m brainstorming for my post-season five fanfic and I’m a bit stuck.

Merlin is running in the desert, he’s a foot soldier and has deserted. He’s running with a friend. They spot something glinting in the distance, not a mirage – the holy grail. The cup turns his friend to dust but Merlin drinks and around him the enchanted forest springs into existence, and he gets magic and immortality and foresight and all that cool stuff. He also gets the ability to select an author and must have appointed several over the years.

Anyone got any guesses as to where the grail came from? Like who chucked it at Merlin and why? Also, you know where all this author crap stuff came from? I really hate that plotline but both the grail and the storybooks are kinda a big deal in the finale and ignoring them would be wrong.

This isn’t the canon I want, but it’s the canon we have and I kinda need to work with it, however much I’m swearing over here.

I’m wondering if maybe something to do with with the greek gods or the titans? They chucked Hades, Zeus and Hercules into the mix so that mythology exists in canon. The magic of a world has to come from somewhere and gods would have the ‘almighty’ power necessary. The real question is why and then – the author. Have I mentioned how much I hate that plot? Yeah I know, I’m a broken record on the subject.

It’s just the author has power over free will, the power to affect reality and nobody should have that power because it renders character development irrelevant. People don’t have to take any responsibility because “the author made me do it” and it’s hard to root for them as people, if they are obviously just characters and puppets on a string.

You know I did have a theory for a brief time that Merlin was a time traveler. It explained how he could be both in the tree and in the land without magic talking to Emma as a kid simultaneously. It would also explain his prophecies, he knew what happened if he saw it happen. But time travel makes everything so much more complicated and there is a much easier theory about Merlin being in two places at once – he wasn’t, his apprentice is a dab hand with glamours.

I suppose it doesn’t really matter. The show doesn’t bother explaining anything everything and so long as I work out how the storybooks and the grail got to the public library in New York, then everything else can just get handwaved with a “because it just does” reason.

As an author doing a “because I said so” kinda hurts. If I can’t make something stack up logically then I’m doing my job wrong but this isn’t my fictional universe. Coming up with a coherent theory as to the origins of the world is a little bit beyond me I’m afraid.

Yup I think I did just render this entire post pointless. I’m just venting really because I do want to know the answer to these questions. I just don’t have any theories and I doubt the show will ever explain it, mostly because I’m 95% certain that the writers/creators don’t have a clue either.

My other two WIP are canon divergent AU’s and there is no author plotline to screw everything up annoy me but this one is going to be first on the starting blocks.

Spoiler alert – there will be a Rumbelle true loves kiss. Like season 6 could have anything else …

whitesheepcbd:

I was just re-watching OUaT 1×15, “Red-Handed,” and when Granny Lucas made the comment about paying a sorcerer a lot of money for Red’s magical cloak, it clicked and I realized that the sorcerer must have been Rumplestiltskin. And then I remembered his line to Belle, during their hamburger date in “Into the Deep.” Referring to Granny, he said, “I have a complicated relationship with her…” So something must have gone wrong during that deal, and now I’m wondering what it was. 

I feel a little silly that I’m bringing up stuff that the fandom probably discussed years ago, but I didn’t start watching OUaT till the S5 hiatus and I was woozy with a combination of a bad cold and cold medicines….so I’m just now making these connections on rewatch….it’s kinda cool. 

I didn’t start watching the show until last summer, when I binge watched the first four seasons on netflix, before season five started. I didn’t have anyone to discuss it with, I just wrote a lot of posts on my blog.

In regards to Rumple and Granny, I read a fanfic once (and I’ve read so many I can’t remember which one I’m sorry) which said that Granny didn’t like Rumple because he knew her secret. She didn’t want Red to know, and she definitely didn’t want the village to know, it was like her vulnerability and she hated that he had that power over her.

Plus I don’t think they got on as their cursed selves either. I think I’ve read several fanfics where they tussle over the rent because even cursed Granny didn’t back down for anyone.

After all Rumple does deals with “desperate souls” it only makes sense really that it makes relationships complicated, because he sees people on the worst day of their lives and has the gall to say he won’t work for free. Everything has it’s price and magic most of all.

whitesheepcbd:

still-searching47:

freifraufischer:

The selection of items in Rumple’s arms that no one comments on is hilarious to me.  Poor adorable David isn’t so bright…

But given I want to slap him over the cards thing…

I rewatched Skin Deep the other day (not on the official rewatch day unfortunately) and I had to fast forward through David mucking up giving MM her card. It was just too cringeworthy. I really didn’t like that whole subplot. Although at least David had an excuse for being so ugh – he was cursed. After all he had made his choice and wasn’t dithering about it before Regina sent him to the windmill and screwed everything up.

Gold though with the duct tape and rope. Do you think he just had so much of a reputation as the ‘town monster’ by then, that nobody blinked? Or do you just think that Sneezy and David don’t have much imagination?

I know he wasn’t cursed!Gold then seeing as he remembered, but it’s the closest we ever got really. Ah well there’s always fanfic.

When I rewatched it a couple days ago, I wondered if David did notice…I mean, you can see him looking at Gold’s purchases…and called Emma when he left the store. That would help explain how Emma just happened to be at that cabin in the woods to stop Gold from killing Moe French.

Oh wow!

That is a point. You know it literally never occurred to me how Emma got to the cabin at the right moment. I always assumed that she went looking for Moe French and someone told her that they had seen the flower truck driving up towards the woods.

However, David calling Emma and saying “Hey Gold was being weird at the store. He bought duct tape and rope and that doesn’t sound like a good combination for anything.” and Emma being all “I’ll take care of it.” and thinking to herself, dammit Gold, I told you not to interfere!

I like this theory because while oblivious Charming is fun, observant Charming who just keeps his mouth shut most of the time, because arguing wouldn’t be worth it, is much cooler.

lumadreamland:

once upon a wardrobe appreciation: 114/???

My heart broke for Regina in this episode.

“Neither of us belongs in the palace and neither of us can leave the palace.”

It’s the unintentional slights that hurt the deepest. Regina was left alone, ignored, nobody noticed or cared when she left the party. Her husband waxed on poetic about his previous wife, yes she was Snow’s mother and I’m not saying that he shouldn’t compare Snow to her mum, just that how it was done must have hurt Regina. It wasn’t done spitefully, it wasn’t done to hurt her on purpose. I don’t blame them for it, it was just a messed up situation but man her expression was heartbreaking.

I know she was manipulating the genie/mirror/Sydney but all good lies have an element of truth. Regina was trapped in that palace, in a life she never wanted – “I don’t want her life, I want a life of my own” and she was trapped there for years. Long enough for young Snow to become adult Snow.

And yeah Regina does have the best outfits. This show does wardrobe incredibly well.

Her expression kills me.

What untold stories are there in the ‘land of untold stories’?

woodelf68:

still-searching47:

“Storybrooke is mine now. And I brought some friends. You know, I’ve been looking for a place like this for quite some time… A land where all the world’s lost and forgotten stories could play themselves out. And now that I have brought them here, that is exactly what they’re going to do.”
– Mr Hyde

So who do you think he brought with him? I’m guessing maybe Aladdin just simply because they haven’t done it yet. What else is left?

I’m thinking of writing a post-season five fic and so speculation would be very helpful. 

Doesn’t have to be a Disney cartoon. Or Disney at all, although for a well-known character from a live Disney show, you could use Zorro. Any book/character that’s fairly well known could be used – Captain Blood, The Three Musketeers, *insert favorite detective here*, Little Women, Heidi, etc. A character from Shakespeare! Look over your bookshelves, which made you wonder ‘what happened next?’

Thank you both!

So from you guys I have the options of:
– Paul Bunyon
– Aladdin
– Some Jane Austen.
– Zorro
-Captain Blood
– The Three Musketeers
– Are you thinking Agatha Christie detective? or Sherlock Holmes? or someone else?
– Little Women, Heidi
– Shakespeare

Then I googled and apparently in the show the storybook pages had:
– Gulliver’s Travels
– Don Quixote
– Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

I did some googling of my own and there are numerous other options from Disney’s catalogue though like you said it doesn’t have to be from Disney, just think about a story and ask “what happened next?”. Although with Jekyll and Hyde we do seem to be in the middle of that one, not the end and he said about the tales “playing themselves out” so maybe some of them from the land of untold stories aren’t complete.

I don’t know. It doesn’t really matter that much because the focus of the fic will be on the main characters – as it should be. I don’t really care about exploring new places and new stories, unless it offers development for the regular people. I was just thinking I should probably include something.

I will get plotting. For oneshots I just write, but for longer stuff I need an outline or I tend to write myself into a corner.

You guys have been very helpful! Thank you!

Post Season Five Character Headcanon

I wrote a post-season five fanfic for a prompt response. I might have cheated slightly and combined the prompt with another idea I had but it still filled the prompt. Anyway, @woodelf68 left a wonderful review and I just started writing out my character headcanon and it got so long I thought I better stop and make it another post.

The fanfic was just a oneshot, pure family fluff, set five years into the future. A lot happened in those five years. Within the fic I dropped in odd explanations, to give a brief summary of my headcanon for how I hope the aftermath will turn out but I didn’t really go into detail.

I have considered writing a post season-five fic and if I do, then it will be compliant with this oneshot. This oneshot will be like a future snapshot of how my post season-five fic would ultimately work out.

Anyway, onto the headcanon.

Basically so I don’t confuse anyone when explaining my headcanon. Here’s a summary of the important fic points:
– Rumple wakes Belle, they return to Storybrooke and have a daughter called Nadia which means hope.
– Zelena’s swap to the good side lasts all of five minutes. She’s imprisoned again and Regina has custody of Robin’s daughter, who she renames Eleanor (Ellie) and obviously has the last name of Locksley. Given the nature of the kids conception I could never quite stomach calling her Robyn and Locksley still honors her dad, and Eleanor is a regal sort of name from Robin’s era so I like it, it works.
– Snow and Charming eventually have more kids. A little girl called Johanna, to keep with their trend about honoring dead people and an unknown bump at the time of writing.

Anyway, in those five years there would have definitely been a lot of apologies flying around. They are all related through Henry, I sort of imagined at first Belle and Rumple would be biting their tongues because they were so bitter about how they’d been treated. However, they keep having to spend time together, and then with Nadia and Ellie being of a similar age, they would be friends and yes I did imagine Regina apologizing one day.

I didn’t think it had to be any great dramatic event, just one day Regina looks at her life and part of her redemption (because it does take time) is her owning all her bad deeds and realizing the consequences of those actions. Perhaps she was at Rumple’s house because I do think Henry would be trying to build fences, and insisting on family dinner and she just apologizes.

Belle would say it was ok, Regina would say it wasn’t and it never would be because some things can’t be undone. She doesn’t expect forgiveness because some things are unforgivable, she knows she can never atone but she just wanted to acknowledge what she did and say she was sorry. Belle would acknowledge the truth in that, maybe make some wry observation about the nature of light and dark and how Rumple had eventually made her see that the world isn’t so black and white and then they would move on. They are family now and it won’t be forgotten but it’s in the past.

After that a lot of the tension would be gone. I don’t imagine that the Charmings would ever apologize because I don’t think that they would ever realize that they did anything wrong. They never babysit for Nadia because Rumple doesn’t trust them. They do what they think is right and assume that they are never wrong. The villain of the week could come to town, and they would dash off to do their heroic duty, and leave Hook watching the kids. They would think that was fine but there is no way Rumple would want his daughter anywhere near the pirate without him there.

However, they do family dinner sometimes on Henry’s insistence and they have no problem with Belle or Regina looking after Neal or Johanna. It’s the unintentional slights that always hurt the most because I could picture them saying “just don’t leave them with Rumple” or “so long as Rumple isn’t there” even though it should be obvious to a blind man that Rumple would never hurt kids. If it wasn’t for Henry then the Gold’s wouldn’t have anything to do with the Charmings, but they do have Henry in common so they learn how to get along with each other.

My headcanon is Snow is the more prejudiced of the pair. Though if you confronted her about it, she would be really hurt because she doesn’t think that about herself. I think on his own David and Rumple would maybe (in my headcanon) develop an understanding like they had in season 2. That’s why I had David as a mediator at the family dinner because I think he has the potential to see both points of view.

I kept Emma and Hook together even though I don’t support it. I was trying to keep this fic within canon and at the moment I don’t have a theory as to how their relationship could end. I would love Emma to wake up, realize she’s made some pretty horrific mistakes, take responsibility and become more like the season one/two Emma that I remember and loved. Emma just feels so flat these days, like there’s no spark. I don’t entirely blame it on Hook because season five wasn’t good to any character. So basically I just ignored the whole deal, I didn’t know what to do with it so I just left it as it is.

So yeah that’s my headcanon and how I see the characters. Unfortunately how I think of them, and how they’ve been on screen lately are not compatible but I’m keeping my headcanon.

grace52373:

I am looking forward to reading it!

Thanks! I hope it won’t disappoint.

I need to write my RCIJ fic first because even though that deadline is a couple of months out, I am very paranoid about meeting deadlines. I will probably also write at least half of the fic before I start posting it. I absolutely loathe making promises I can’t keep and I like regular update schedules.

I don’t know entirely when I will start posting because that depends on how fast I get things written. No promises at the moment.

Thank you for your kind comments 🙂

captainpoe:

#Best # Scene # Ever

For all that I mostly try and ignore that Hook replaced his supposed true love Milah (who he spent a couple of hundred years trying to avenge) for who was basically his step-daughter-in-law. For as long as the relationship lasts making Hook both Henry’s step-father and step-grandfather in a way .. this scene made that mess worth it.

I couldn’t quite believe that they went there on the show. It seemed everyone tried to tacitly ignore the connection and then Rumple just spells it out, gotta love that!

#best scene ever#gotta love him#rumple is awesome

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Condiments are this worlds most powerful magic.

Rumplestiltskin (and me quoting him at dinner tonight. Nobody got the reference, my family should be ashamed heh)

#hamburger date was so sweet#I am a fan and proud of it