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to the Ancients/Stargate. I think I may have a problem 🤣
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I have written two fanfics with sort of a background crossover with Stargate. Using Stargate lore rather than characters. Basically it’s the Ancients they make it too easy. I suppose it’s basically a precursor cliche and that is present in other media too. Like Assassin’s Creed has the Isu.
Anyway my current amusement is my pet headcanon that the Q Continuum are Ascended Ancients. I don’t think I have rambled about this before but I might have.
My ‘evidence’ is that they don’t exist on our plane of existence – check. They can’t do anything helpful – check. You see ascended ancients aren’t supposed to interfere. Now obviously Q interferes the whole time but 1) only for his own amusement, 2) he puts everything back mostly how he finds it, 3) when he doesn’t the ‘others’ punish him. This suggests to me there are rules.
Trek aliens are varied. There is random life out there. Just as there was occasionally seen on Stargate. But a lot of Trek aliens are basically human in appearance. Obviously differences are beyond skin deep as Spock has green blood and his liver I think is in a different place? BUT crucially a lot of the races are genetically compatibly enough to reproduce. We have half-Vulcans, half-Klingons etc. That could mean that it’s one design, just iterated on. In Stargate the Ancients seeded life, using the machine on Dakara. What if in the Trek reality they went further and seeded a lot of life, in various permutations? They were scientists, treating the Galaxy like a Petri dish experiment.
I said the other day when I was rambling about the Synths and the sentient killer robots and the warning left behind by altering a solar system to say “hey look, something important here”, that it amused me to think of the Ancients warning about the Replicators/Asurans but hey why not? It fits. When I first learned about Dax and the symbiote I laughed about the Tok’ra (because goa’uld don’t share).
Now there are no Stargates in this universe so the ‘divergence’ would have had to have taken place a very long time ago. Or the Ancients removed the gates in the Milky Way for some reason.
Anyway I don’t know this is amusing me 🙂
anneelliotscat reblogged this from galactic-pirates and added:
OR . . . in your universe, the Gates were never “discovered” by humanity. When the series (movie?) started, there were two Gates on Earth: one inside one of the pyramids in Giza, and one buried in Antarctica. And they only found the Antarctica one by accident. So if the Giza gate had been put further west, near an oasis, and then buried in hundreds of meters of sand when the oasis dried up, Earth humanity wouldn’t have found the Gates.
And Ancient Precursors are canon in Star Trek: the episode The Paradise Syndrome makes that clear. So you’re good to go!
violetfaust said: I don’t know a lot about either the Stargate or ST extended universes, but wasn’t that time portal in the TOS episode City on the Edge of Forever quite similar to a stargate?
anneelliotscat said: It definitely could have been. Also the time machine that Mr. Atoz ran in “All Our Yesterdays” .
galactic-pirates said: @violetfaust I haven’t seen that one yet as I have only seen the beginning of season one of TOS. I will have to try and push through to get to that. Sounds interesting 🙂
@anneelliotscat the stargates on earth not being found makes sense. It was them not being known/used in the rest of the Trek galaxy that made me think they probably didn’t exist in the Trek reality like they do in Stargate. But I like the thought and I remember that Discovery episode! I remember going “Brass!” and then “Stargate!” 😂 You guys have made my day replying to my Trek rambles today. Thank you so much ❤️
It’s a day ending in Y so I am musing about Star Trek as is my thing at the moment.
The Delta Quadrant was an unknown when Voyager got stranded there.
Now I was a Stargate fan first and they have hyperdrive in that, not Warp Drive. Near as I can tell from google maximum Warp is 2-3 light years travelled per day. For a Stargate regular Asgard-Earth hyperdrive (as seen on the Daedalus) they can do more like 143,000 a day. If they pair it with a ZPM it’s 750,000. Now hyperdrive speeds do vary. The Goa’uld pre-Apophis (probably reverse engineered Asgard stolen) would have taken a year to make the trip to Earth. In the Season 1 finale they did it in a couple of days. Wraith hyperdrives are also slower and they have to stop (a bit like Warp) as the engines/ships take damage and need to rest. But regardless hyperdrive is ridiculously much faster than Warp Drive.
All alien races in Trek seem to use some iteration of Warp Drive. I mean achieving Warp is when a race is considered ready for first contact right? Well it’s FTL not Warp and as I understand it because Warp has to set a course around everything, they are still in normal space. It’s basically just like really fast, with some kind of something so that there isn’t a temporal issue. Which is a bit how Destiny worked in Stargate (which pre-dates every other ship seen). So it could be said that Warp is like “early development” when it comes to FTL but due to first contact, and then the federation, they never broke from it. They just kept going like with a mental block. Sort of an echo chamber thing due to working together the second any race started down FTL.
Anyway so Delta Quadrant is far away in terms of Trek travel times. Not really far enough but work with me. What if races here had developed something akin to hyperdrive?
This is a very long way of musing about what such a development could do to the federation. They have the Prime Directive right because introducing advanced tech to people who aren’t ready for it – they could destroy themselves. Fear leads to jealousy, leads to divisions, leads to fighting and boom it’s war. So if they encountered a race with hyperdrive how would Voyager feel being on the ‘other side’ of the Prime Directive? Knowing this race had a way to get them home but they were refusing for Voyager/the Federations own longterm good.
Or alternately what if they did agree to share? What would the Federation suddenly having such tech do? Comparing 2-3 light years per day with hundreds of thousands times more, is like some guy who has only ever walked anywhere, suddenly getting a supersonic jet. What would that do to the power relations/politics of the federation? Would it help areas that StarFleet had given up on as it could increase their reach as ships could move around more easily? Or would it increase the inequality? If the Federation had the tech but they wouldn’t share with say the Romulans, would that lead to a first strike war as the Romulans afraid of what the Federation could do, sought to weaken them preemptively and then of course the Federation would what? Expand with imperialism. As the Klingons in Discovery said the most dangerous of words “we come in peace”?
I don’t know. My mind is chewing on it.
Remembered something I forgot.
The blocking in that table scene in Picard’s last episode.
From lots of angles Worf was hidden.
It was really noticeable and weird. I kept wondering if maybe he actually wasn’t there/it was a stunt double or something on retakes. It felt like it had to have been done on purpose.
Watching DS9 and it’s the episode where Bashir is upset about turning 30. I am not generally fond of him as a character, he made a bad first impression, but that is so relatable.
I was a complete bear about turning 30. I felt like I was supposed to have my shit together and be an adult and I wasn’t at all.
Now on TNG. 🤣🤣🤣
Neelix is a Ferengi. His voice is too recognisable for that to pass. I guess maybe they thought with the makeup nobody would notice he had guested on TNG.
I am singularly disappointed with my note taking skills.
Last year when I decided I was going to quit fanfic I downloaded all the files from gDocs onto my HD. I couldn’t bring myself to delete them but I was trying to make them inactive.
Well my nostalgia for my own ideas grew to such a level I opened up the files today. I have vague memories of more related to the ideas than I appear to have written down. I am frustrated because it’s like having something on the tip of your tongue, unable to remember, and I thought my notes would clarify but nope.
I don’t have the spoons to write so I don’t really know what I was doing beyond *sighing heavily* with a big “I wish…” feel.
But seriously past!Self? You really super suck for not writing more of the swirling thoughts down, and not being clear about what you did write down. Some of those notes do not make the sense I think I thought they did after 6+ months of not looking at them.
Ooops I guess?
You see (sorry not done) it’s Camp bloody NaNo starting today and, and, the frustrated “I wish!!!” is kinda ruling me 🙁
I wish, I wish, I wish.
This isn’t the life I want.
I am sad.
I said earlier to a friend IRL that I was watching Picard this evening and would “try not to get too irritated” and they looked at me a bit like ??? and said “I thought you liked Picard?”
I have been ramble ranting about stuff that bugs me, more than I have been praising it, mostly because I genuinely have not been vibing with the writing this season. So it occurred to me that maybe it wasn’t actually clear online either.
I love Star Trek. I love the world and the characters. What I do not love is some of the writing, and where there is missed potential. I ramble rant because I care/love it so much. I’m not somebody that loves to hate. I love to love. I have a genuine appreciation. I am just frustrated. Now this frustration (if it continues) will eventually lead me to lose interest. There is only so much I can take of what I love going in a direction I can’t follow before I peace out. With the season only being 10 episodes and how much love I have for Trek, I will see it through. They are being coy about what comes next but if something follows I would have to think about whether to invest in it. I ramble rant because I care, because I want the show to be better.
I do realise that it’s a “can’t please all people” thing and that what I don’t vibe with could be someone else’s favourite. So I get that I’m not ‘right’ and I shouldn’t say ‘better’ as that is subjective. I guess what I mean is I really want the show to be better for me.
It’s pretty clear that my ‘vision’ as it were, doesn’t align with the writers. That is why I am trying to be diplomatic when I say “don’t vibe with” as opposed to “the writing sucks”. As judging the writing because I don’t like it is… well I can justify my opinion with analysis but as I know from painful experience in English class. The so called ‘classics’ are held up as a pinnacle of excellence and quite a few of those I thought were trash – sorry didn’t vibe with. You can basically find evidence to support any opinion of good/bad storytelling. Some critiques are more accepted/have more weight than others of course… I swear I had a point.
Basically TLDR please don’t take my ramble ranting as I sign of hatred as it’s not. It’s actually a sign of frustrated love. If I had more spoons there would have been so much fix-it fic by now.
Ok so Episode 7.
Spoilers etc. fair warning.
No Raffi? C’mon why? Ugh!
Actually no in all seriousness it doesn’t make sense. The changelings have a plot re: frontier day and they are running out of time. Rather than focus on the fight they instead are searching for Riker. Like no offence but is that really a priority?
I am especially aghast to be honest because when they enacted the plan and for Vadic off her ship (when they knew Riker was on the shrike as that’s where his code came from) they didn’t send an away team to rescue him? Like did they just forget?
I am sick of this Data/Lore plot as it is sucking up airtime and I can’t see how it’s relevant. When Geordi was explaining again about the personality partitions, I was just like “this is taking too long, unless this becomes super important” but it feels like it was just there so Lore could take the ship which was mega convenient for the bad guys and thus stupid. Vadic having a contingency which explained why they were so confident – that made sense. Winning through luck because Lore had a moment of fun? That was not foreseeable. I repeat what I said last week. Data has died twice, let him go. I love the character don’t get me wrong but enough is enough.
Tuvok guest appearance (well as a changeling) was unexpected! I didn’t know any Voyager alums were appearing so that was cool. I liked how Seven tricked him into revealing he wasn’t Tuvok but otherwise… “they are not taking the bridge” and then 2 seconds later… 🤦♂️
A pet peeve of mine is when a character is brilliant, and the writers dumb them down, so other characters can also look good/the villain can win etc. It is lazy storytelling to build a character up at the expense of another. I see it all the time and ugh it is aggravating. Seven is so much better than this. Not just Seven either. I get it that the ‘heroes’ are who we are following but it is just not realistic that they are the only ones who know about the changelings and are doing something. They name dropped Janeway again and if she isn’t replaced with a changeling and thus in a cage masterminding an escape, I am going to be pissed if she doesn’t play a role in the ‘final battle’ so to speak. She doesn’t have to appear but if there isn’t a mention of her being badass well… jumping and sharks come to mind.
StarFleet making these changelings like Frankenstein’s monster doesn’t shock me. I have a always seen the darker side. The ideals of the institution are admirable but it’s made up of people, and people aren’t perfect. They get scared or selfish and they make choices. Beverley somehow forgetting she iced two invaders in the opening episode with her “I am considering not following do no harm oath” was a bit like ship has sailed on that one. Honestly though the whole “wrestling with the morality” plot point would be really good if they spent more than 2 seconds on it. They aren’t spending their limited time budget wisely. Some episodes feel like filler as they didn’t have enough plot to stretch, others are just too rushed and not spending enough time on the points that matter.
So Picard’s brain issue, which Jack inherited, isn’t actually that and Jack is now telepathic. Random evolution seems unlikely but all I can think is Q did something given his fondness for Picard. Although Vadic saying “he was never really yours” to Beverley is giving me Anakin vibes. Like is Jack actually Picard’s son or somehow created to enhance whatever is going on with him? As a Stargate fan I snigger about ATA gene but honestly I have no idea. How have people not noticed the red eyes thing though?
I am reasonably sure that they are wrong that they want Jack’s blood to animate Picard’s body. But given the deadline of Frontier Day… I just don’t know and there are what three episodes left? The pacing is worrying. The cast too big to do anyone justice. I really have no clue why they wrote Rios out just to being in Shaw. I had thought they wrote out the new characters to bring back the old TNG crowd, but then they invented more characters? Logic not found.
Honestly I am at the stage where I just want to know what the canon is so I can fix it more accurately in my head.
Next week really needs more Raffi. Somehow they will have to retake the Titan. Maybe Raffi saves the day? I know, never happening but I can dream. I missed her this week 🙁
People can like whomever they like obviously. I wish to be respectful but I am mystified.
I just saw a poll for “favourite Picard-origin character” so it had the whole list Elnor, Raffi, Jurati, Rios, Soji etc. and then season 3 characters like Sidney LaForge and Captain Shaw.
You want to know who was winning? Captain Shaw.
Ok I hate the dude so I am biased. But I do not get what is interesting about him at all. Even leaving aside his abuse of Seven, he’s basically a walking cliche. The AH veteran goes back to what the noir classics? The investigator with whiskey in the drawer in place of a personality.
Now don’t get me wrong I love tropes. I am not knocking them but there needs to be the sizzle. The point of connection. The thing that makes it rise above the scribbled cliche and clearly some people are feeling that. I am just totally mystified because I am absolutely not. I would love to understand. I like to understand things. I do not understand this.
What am I missing that makes Captain Shaw a character to love?
ussjellyfish said: He’s a white guy. With trauma! Fandom loves…. *Sobs quietly*
purlturtle said: I was thinking the exact same thing. I hope the tide yet turns against him in the poll.
galactic-pirates said: @purlturtle there is a… well I don’t wish to be judgemental as trying to be respectful but from my POV ‘disturbing’ amount of social media push for Captain Shaw to helm a Titan show of his own. Apparently Matalas has replied saying “what a fantastic idea” and just drek. So I don’t think it’s going away sadly.
purlturtle said: @galactic-pirates ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. Ugh. Please god no.
galactic-pirates said: @purlturtle my sentiments exactly /sigh
Ok haven’t watched the latest Picard episode again yet. It may or may not have dropped this morning already (UK) but I will watch it later.
I just reread various wiki pages to see if my understanding of the Changelings and the motivation for the Dominion/the War was right. I’m coming to the end of season 3 of DS9 so I haven’t personally seen a lot yet. I don’t like to be wrong but I think I have it right (hope so or this will be embarrassing).
The Changelings want control (literally dominate hence dominion). They have “the great link” which makes for a sort of “hive mind” though they have individuality.
Last week we learned that Picard’s body was kidnapped and my mind instantly went to Borg – collective, and then went hmm control? Picard as a Borg wasn’t the usual drone. So what if the changelings could use that?
Imagine if they made like a ‘Borg collective’ out of the Alpha Quadrant. They would need to lead it like a Queen (or like Locutus) and not be subject to it. But that would sure be one way to dominate/control everyone. We know from Voyager how Seven prized efficiency and order, which is what the changelings like – order to totalitarianism. So it seems to match.
I can’t work out what the hell Jack Crusher has to do with it. From last episode where Vadic captured Riker, it seemed the priority was still getting hold of Jack. Why? Because he was the child of a ex-Borg?
Now if they had been hunting Soji that would have made more sense to me. The origins of the Borg are vague. They were once just bio life forms and at some point evolved. But I have a pet theory that they found the planet Soji made a portal to (to the sentient killer robots) and got infected by the machinery. It is this tech that drives the need to assimilate as you know side nod to Stargate replicators bwahaha. But seriously it makes as much sense as anything. Machinery can only replicate, not reproduce in the usual kind of way, so to ensure its own survival constantly devouring what it comes across to make more of itself, does make a certain primal sense. Wanting Soji to tell them the location of the robot planet so the changelings could understand how the Borg were created, and thus make their own version of the collective to control the solids, has a certain logic to it. But no they are hunting Jack Crusher and I don’t know why.
Anyway this is my current theory. It will probably be ruined this evening but no matter. I like it.
With how much I am really not vibing with Picard Season 3 (look at me being all diplomatic lol) I am thinking more and more about the season 3 I had plotted out and had intended to write prior to the real season airing.
It started life as an AU of them being in the Confederation for longer than an episode. I then backtracked it to branch from the season 1 finale, picking up some of those plot threads from season 1 so it turned into a season 2 rewrite, then season 3 my way fic.
It was going to be epic length and last year was the “year of moving house” and I didn’t have the bandwidth to focus on such a big project. I don’t have the spoons at all at the moment to do anything, so moping around wishing I could write this epic fic is ridiculous. If I have any spoons they are spoken for many times over. This isn’t on the radar.
And yet I keep thinking about it.
There was so much. Synths, xB’s, origin of the Borg, Q Continuum etc. for plot stuff but also characters. I was going to be bring in Harry Kim and B’Elanna, there was slow burn Saffi obviously. I mean Seven and Raffi would have been the main characters where I do get they aren’t because Picard is the title character on the show. But hey doing ‘my version’ means I can focus on what interests me and not have to invent something random to attempt to keep Picard relevant. Obviously he would still be a character and have a role to play but probably not any bigger than Rios or Jurati.
I don’t know it would have just been cool. Maybe it’s egotistical to say I like the idea? But hey when writing fanfic I am my target audience. I can’t guarantee that anyone else will read or like it so I might as well enjoy it myself.
Like my “Raffi on Voyager” idea. I miss that one too. I had so many thoughts, so many notes, and dammit one day fic or no fic I am drawing them kissing in a Jeffries tube. Of course I want to be better at art which is why I delayed that drawing originally. Now we’re like a year later and I am no more skilled. Lack of spoons is very sad 🙁
I think I get irritated when stuff happens like “big sentient robots” trying to come through a portal and then bam never mentioned again. Like wouldn’t the ‘killer robots’ that the Romulans were so afraid of? That an advanced race reconfigured a solar system to say “hey look here important warning” about not contacting said killer robots? Wouldn’t those robots wonder who had contacted them and why and maybe make their own way here? The old fashioned way. I mean seriously big deal and just nope not a thing anymore. Like I get having plots persist for multiple seasons isn’t very accessible to new viewers but it makes for a richer, deeper world.
I prefer plots that come from continuity. Not random new stuff out of nowhere. But also not calling on past stuff due to ‘nostalgia’ like make it make sense and have purpose.
Anyway I’ll stop rambling but dammit I am nostalgic for my own idea. I just wish I had the spoons to share it.