whitesheepcbd:

So if Belle were to have a place in the wish realm in 6×11, what are everyone’s theories on how she’d fit in? Would she be the same age she currently is in Storybrooke, or 30 years older?  Where has she been and what’s she been doing, all those years while Rumple was in a prison cell and the Charmings were ruling? I’ve tried to come up with a theory that fits the available evidence on the wish realm that was provided by canon, but…that just made my head hurt. 

So what are everyone’s theories, logical or not?

*rubs hands together*

I love theory crafting. I don’t expect to ever see anything like this on the show, or for there to be any ‘reason’ to the wish realm. It was created by a wish and doesn’t have to stack up and make sense. However, I really enjoy speculation and coming up with in-universe explanations, even if it’s just headcanon nonsense 🙂 Anyway, with that being said I have a number of theories. These all presuppose that Belle is alive, as otherwise it’s no fun.

Under the cut for length.

1) Rumple was just pretending
This is my favorite theory to be honest. There’s no reason for Rumple to be locked up in Regina’s dungeons because it’s just not practical. From what I can remember from his canon imprisonment with the Charming’s, they still fed him. Regina’s castle is kinda inconvenient for that, and it was deserted in the wish realm. The Charming’s hadn’t taken it back for their own.

So imagine, wish!Rumple feeling the disturbance in the force of Regina arriving. How better to play apart in the proceedings than make Regina think that she has the upper hand? The history would run like this. Regina disappointed him by not casting the curse, and then getting banished. He goes to her castle to get the curse back, and finds Belle locked up in the tower. That mitigates some of his outright despair at having this path to Bae blocked. He takes Belle back to the dark castle, and then at some point he tells Belle about Bae, and Belle asks him if there’s anyway to see if Bae is ok.

He says about the crystal ball but he’s never dared use it because whatever he sees, he can’t do anything about until he finds a way to Bae. Anyway, he uses the crystal ball and sees that Bae is on Neverland. He goes and rescues him and all is happy. Bae at some point crosses paths with Princess Emma, they fall in love, and have Henry but then one day Bae dies. Rumple is devastated, especially because I don’t imagine he would be allowed to see his grandson. However, he still has Belle, and they probably have kids of their own, so he still has a family and Bae died a hero and lived a life, and none of that makes it ok because Bae was his son, and Rumple would have protected him with all he had, but dead is dead and there’s nothing he can do but try and be the better man that Bae always wanted him to be.

So TLDR: Rumple and Belle have been married for thirty years, and have a family of their own. Rumple got the magic bean in a deal at some point, and kept it around to laugh at the irony of finally having something he’d wanted for 200 years but now no longer needed.

2) Belle is under a sleeping curse
After Regina failed in casting the curse and was banished. The Charming’s didn’t want any reminders of the war – “this family has done enough fighting.” and Rumple was the “scourge of the realms” and far too dangerous to let go free. So they transferred him to Regina’s dungeons, so they wouldn’t have to think about him, and basically left him there to die. How little did they know that his curse would sustain him.

Belle was one of the prisoners freed after Regina was banished, and she resumed her journey to the Dark Castle, only to find it empty as Rumple is in prison. She calls his name three times and he doesn’t appear, and so she goes looking for him. Eventually she learns that he’s imprisoned and she makes an impassioned plea for his release but the Charming’s are intransigent. Belle is known to be reckless and impulsive, especially when she believes that she is doing the right thing.

She decides to force the issue, and make the Charming’s release him by placing herself under a sleeping curse. They would have to let her reunite with Rumple so that he could free her. However, the Charming’s don’t. Either because they don’t believe that they could possibly be true love, or because the Blue Fairy stuck her oar in and perhaps they never knew what Belle had done. Basically, Belle was laying in one of Regina’s castles rooms under a curse, while Rumple was imprisoned in the basement.

Bae made it back to the Enchanted Forest via Pan’s shadow. In canon it took him back to the land without magic, perhaps because by that point the dark curse was in effect and the Enchanted Forest was inaccessible. Without the dark curse that wouldn’t be true. Anyway, he lands and makes a life for himself, meets Emma and they fall in love, have Henry and he dies, all without knowing about his dad. Maybe he asked after the dark one at some point, without letting on about their relation, but the Charming’s said “scourge of the realms” and he decides that the father he knew was long gone and he’s glad that he never runs into him.

After Rumple was freed, he finds Belle. Perhaps this was why he said goodbye to Regina so abruptly after they made their deal, and he arranged to meet her at the lakeside – he’d sensed Belle and there was somewhere else he needed to be. So he went and kissed her awake. He’d known what had happened to Bae for a long time because of his seer ability, it’s the same way he knew about Storybrooke/the wish realm/where to get a magic bean etc.

3) Belle married someone else
Maybe she returned to Avonlea after being freed from Regina’s imprisonment. Maybe she settled somewhere else. Either way, she gave up on Rumple, despite her brave words of how she would “always fight for him”. Maybe she was told that he was dead, as if the Charming’s had imprisoned and left him for dead (see above) then as far as they were concerned, he was dead or soon would be. She had a life, and was content, but something was always missing.

Then when Rumple said he was off to “raze some fake villages” he really went to find her. Belle’s husband had died, and even though thirty years separated them, the moment they see one another – true love wins out. Rumple has the ability to turn back the clock (he offered it to Smee and to Bae) so he winds it back thirty years. She’d had a life without him, now she can have a life with him.

4) Anything else?
I’m not sure. There’s variations obviously. Like Belle might not have married anyone else, but she’d still had the thirty years making a life for herself somewhere. Obviously, this ignores the theory that Belle is dead because that’s no fun, I don’t like that theory, it doesn’t have a possibility of a happy ending and I’m all about the happy endings.

Basically no matter what. My headcanon is that Rumple and Belle have a happy ending in the wish realm, whether they have been apart for the thirty years or not. I don’t expect the show will even have Belle in the wish realm, but this is why we have fanfic 🙂

rowofstars:

thatravenclawbitch:

thestraggletag:

thatravenclawbitch:

I’ve heard nothing about Belle being in the wish world or not. Adam answered a question about why Zelena wasn’t in the wish world the other day and his response was “who says she’s not” so I wouldn’t expect him to be any clearer on Belle than that. I imagine she’ll get a mention or a short cameo. I doubt she has much of a role in the wish world though just because she’s not particularly important to Emma or Regina who the wish world revolves around. 

Regina and Emma are gonna need Rumple’s help to get home, almost certainly. And for that they’re gonna have to strike a deal. I know this is likely to NEVER EVER happen but I like the idea of Regina bargaining with the information that possibly other!Regina has Belle sequestered away somewhere.

Oooh she makes a deal with the information that Belle isn’t dead.

And we get a final shot of Rumple finding 50 year old Belle alone in a cell somewhere. Locked up for 30 years again but this time, time was moving. 

Or she got released, went home, married some rando and had a bunch of kids and Rumple just looks on sadly. 

How fucking dare you, Raven…

I have a happier speculation. Rumple was imprisoned under Regina’s palace not under Snow and Charmings. So who says he’s been locked up for 30 years? I mean I know wish world doesn’t have to have any logic, or reasoning for why things happened. However, in reality nothing would have kept Rumple from Bae, and he wouldn’t have had a ‘magic bean’ just laying around.

So maybe Snow and Charming made a deal with him. We will give you “anything” if you give us something to defeat the EQ. Rumple would have been all “a deal only works if there is two interested parties, and the EQ being defeated doesn’t suit me.” – maybe he says why, like “ok irritating royals, I will grant your fondest desire for one magic bean” or something. Anyway, upshot is Rumple got Bae back to the EF, the EQ was banished and all was well. Rumple never wanted Cinderella’s baby anyway so no reason to lock him up.

Which means that Rumple and Belle could have been happy together for years, before something happened (perhaps Bae’s death) that meant Rumple was imprisoned under the EQ’s palace.

rowofstars:

still-searching47:

rowofstars:

still-searching47:

Legit question I forgot to put in my review – David and Snow were obviously supposed to be 28 years older. Why does Robin not look older?

Was Robin in a sleeping curse? Did he have some time in the land of untold stories? What happened to Roland? I have all the questions about this episode! Plus when did it become March and a three month hiatus again? I thought it was going to be a shorter hiatus this year. I’ve missed something.

Because Emma’s brain knew her parents had to be older, they had to age because she was never the Savior and she lived with them and she had Henry. Robin is still the age he was in the EF because he didn’t need to age. I feel it’s all compensating for what Emma needed to see to believe the fake world and stay there forever.

I know, you are most likely right. I saw your post about logic regarding Bae and how all that happened. You are probably 100% right, not disagreeing at all, not really. I just like things to have reasons. I’m one of those really irritating people that will search for logic even when there isn’t any.

Although I suppose your answer is actually the most logical. You are being very reasonable and I’m not. I just … want more /hides and now the hiatus is super long again, I have time to think up crazy theories.

Like they said they banished the Evil Queen so she could never return – banished probably doesn’t mean killed. So is she still out there? Is she under a sleeping curse? What did they do with her? Is Regina hoping to bring fake Robin back to the real world? Is she going to bring fake Robin and fake Regina together, so that true love can win out in this alternate fake world? I’m sorry, I’ll stop. This is just a bit of fun 🙂

That’s totally fine. I mean you can want more explanation, I’m just saying that the posts I’m seeing that are dragging the episode because there’s no explanations for this stuff are sort of pointless because y’all are never going to get these explanations. The show doesn’t have to because some of this is just not important and not really a part of the story. It’s references and acknowledgements of history and characters to round out the world and to let fans know that these people and things aren’t forgotten. It’s all there to support Emma believing what she is seeing and experiencing and staying in the AU world. It’s not that she’s stopped being the Savior, because I don’t think Aladdin’s genie powers and a wish can actually do that. But what it did do was create a world where she didn’t have to be and believed she wasn’t.

But by all means, use this stuff as fodder for fics and metas and whatever. Don’t let whatever I see deter from that. It’s just that once again some people in the OUAT fandom need to let some shit go. It was a great episode. Don’t hate on the whole thing because one or two insignificant things don’t have an answer you like. (You being the fandom collective and/or the people who made the posts I’ve seen.)

Ah ok I understand now. I’m probably a bit odd with my opinion on this. I would never drag the show for not explaining these things. I don’t expect any answers – ever. Would I like answers? Yeah, but the answers aren’t important. The fun is in the speculation.

The show doesn’t have the time to explain everything, there’s only 40 minutes per episode. Filling in the blanks is what I enjoy most about Once, it really fires my imagination, that’s what makes it my favorite currently airing show. Plus if they never tell us, then all that is left is pure potential. We can have all the options we want and everyone can be happy.

I love theorizing. Maybe it’s a writer thing, but I just love going “what if?” and imagining as many possibilities as I can. The only thing better is if other people want to join in, and then they’ll have ideas I’d not thought about. That’s one of the things I love about fandom, reading all the theories I would never have dreamed up. This is probably why I don’t know anyone in real life who will discuss shows with me, I could exhaust anyone with how much I love to theorize and debate.

Anyway, I loved 6.10 which is why I’m overthinking everything about it. This is what I do when I love something – when I care. I get all excited and want to talk about it 🙂

You may or may not have noticed that I didn’t blog about the episode last week. The reason for that is because I didn’t watch it. I had access to the episode from Monday which I was supremely grateful for. However, I’d thoroughly spoiled myself with the liveblog, and the gifsets, and I just couldn’t face it. I didn’t want to watch the scenes with full sound and picture. I felt an incredible disconnect between what I felt, and what it was clear the writers wanted me to feel.

Anyway, when I woke up this morning I had a message saying episode 10 was amazing, which was the best news we’ve had all season. So I steered clear of tumblr to remain unspoiled for 6.10 – I wanted to see for myself and yikes, they really weren’t kidding. My expectations were admittedly low but well they have said repeatedly about “darkest before dawn” and this was like a ray of sunshine and sweet merlin we needed the boost. I might have got a bit incoherent because I was just so damn excited.

Spoilers for 6.09 and 6.10 under the cut and boy was 6.10 amazing!

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BellegoldWhat do you guys suppose Rumple is up to if the AU has no villains? Is he just chilling, using magic to keep the crops growing or something?

ouatwatcherMy theory is he is still in the jail snowing trapped him in…but who knows. For all we know he is the court jester

rumbelleluvWell I think in the promo for next ep he was still in the Snowing jail. So I bet you are right about that.  It’s just weird how they worded it.  And I can’t think that he stays in the jail the whole episode/length of the AU.  I’m pretty sure there were pics of him outside in EF form so somehow he must get out.

ouatwatcherI just want to know how Henry was born without Emma meeting Bae in the Land Without Magic. (And is Belle also still trapped in a cell?)

rumbelleluvThose are the 2 things I am worried about. I am worried about how they will explain Henry since obviously Emma was unable to meet Bae. I am also worried about Belle too. I have to think she’ll be in the AU also but I don’t know how. I would think in the beginning she is still trapped by Regina but if no curse happens then that is the divergence point and I am sure she would be freed

scribbles-by-kateI’m not expecting to see Belle in the AU at all, though it’s possible she gets a mention. If we do see her, it’ll be a nice surprise.

And I wouldn’t worry about Henry. He has to be Bae and Emma’s son because that’s how biology works. He can’t be Hook’s son because they would need a different actor for Henry. I’m guessing Bae got back to the Enchanted Forest somehow, met Emma, and they had Henry, and then Bae still died.

rumbelleluvI guess I just don’t have faith that they wont change Henry’s father in the AU and have us “suspend our belief” because its temporary. The other option I saw someone mention before (can’t remember who) is that Henry in the AU might just play the role of a random knight. That I could find more believable in an AU then changing one of his parents.

Maybe you are right though and they will find some way to say he got back to the EF somehow long enough to meet Emma and have Henry. That would be my ideal option I just have a hard time working it out in my head.

I’m wondering if it’s like the Heroes and Villains AU, so the Henry we see in knight costume, is actually our Henry undercover. It looked like in the promo, the Regina from our reality crossed over, why not Henry as well? That would solve the parent problem, and mean the writers wouldn’t have to acknowledge/reference Neal at all.

Perhaps Henry’s role is to get close to Princess Emma, and try and get her to believe in herself again, so as to end ‘the wish’ and return everything to normal. That could well be Hook’s role as well. So Hook in the AU is from the show’s reality, as I can’t see how AU!Captain Hook and Princess Emma would cross paths, especially because AU Hook should still be on his revenge crusade against Rumple.

The second fanfic I ever plotted had the Blue Fairy stealing Rumple and Belle’s newborn son and banishing him to another realm. I’m really feeling the irony right now.

Ok it’s 2:40am. I couldn’t sleep so I read all the live blogging. I still have a ton of questions and I’m reserving judgement until I can watch it for myself on Wednesday but …

The crazier the show gets, the more I itch to write a crack fic, where the “true timeline” somehow crosses over with the shows timeline. Just picturing all the horrified and disgusted expressions of the characters, as they learn of everything that has happened in the show, is quite entertaining.

#i once had a similar idea to this which was a consequence of the time travel shenanigans#that allowed for more drastic changes

leni-ba

I admit I’m tempted.

shotafiction-blog

I’m watching because this is Rumplestiltskins episode and Robert is excited about it

leni-ba

Yeah. Those are the reasons I’m tempted. RC is amazing.

shotafiction-blog

This is the first True Rumple centric Since Lovely Thiughts

boushh2187

There was one last season, which was still a long time in coming. The one with the Milah/Bae flashback, Devil’s Due. So it’s still been 18 episodes since the last one.

I’d like to watch it, but I’m not sure I can bring myself to do it. I think it’s just going to come down to the wire on what I decide to do. If I’m not home when it comes on then my decision is made for me. We’ll see.

lostintime61

As upset as I am about the state of Rumbelle, I can’t miss this one. Probably some shouting at the TV will be involved.

boushh2187

If Rumple and the Evil Queen didn’t share scenes maybe I’d try. I’d still want to throw things if they weren’t there, but that is still unwatchable to me. I might try at some point, but I fear it’s going to upset me even more so… I don’t know.

grace52373

I haven’t watched any of them live and I am debating whether to watch the others no matter how this episode works out.

emospritelet

I’m relying on @rowofstars to let me know whether to bother watching (if she can bring herself to watch, of course).  I still haven’t watched the last ep, and I possibly won’t unless something seriously good happens in the rest of the season.  I can’t handle the GQ stuff, it squicks me out so much 🙁  But I’ll swallow the shit they throw at me and cover my eyes for a bit if it means the bullshit Rumbelle have been put through finally has some sort of resolution in sight.

rowofstars

Sorry, Sprite. I’m not putting myself through it. I will rely on what spoilers I see to let me know if there’s any hope of a turn around, but as I said in my reply to an Anon last night, I doubt I will be watching until maybe after the hiatus. And that would only be if they make an effort to fix Rumbelle in a reasonable way. I can tolerate a little bit of “instant fix” if it’s combined with some degree of genuine effort to repair the issues in the relationship. Since I don’t believe the writers capable, I think this is probably it for me.

emospriteletCan’t say I blame you. I’m still waiting for my fun and hope, but I think it’s a lost cause 🙁

I loathe the direction the show is going in. I truly don’t like canon right now. I do my mental gymnastics to try and headcanon it but this isn’t the show I fell in love with. Despite that, I still can’t not watch. I have to know and I have to see it for myself. Maybe I’ve inherited my grandmother’s gene. She used to sometimes say “I’m watching this, just to see how bad it’s going to get.”

Anyway, I can’t watch live even though I would like to because I live in the wrong country. I suppose I should be grateful because Netflix puts the new episode up on Wednesday’s so that’s only 3 days to wait. For some shows I like I have to wait up to 18 months.