What do you mean there’s no S3? It can’t end that way!!!!!!

^^ and there is the reaction of every single Stargate fan in two sentences.

That was how the franchise finished and that made it even worse!

Although there are compensations. Robert Carlyle went directly from SGU to Once Upon a Time. If SGU hadn’t been cancelled then Gold/Rumple wouldn’t be the same and I honestly can’t imagine any other actor in that role. Robert Carlyle is phenomenal and I don’t think anyone else could pull of his range, encapsulating every level of the character.

Read this – Joseph Mallozzi talks what might have been

It kinda sucks actually because it boils down to “your ideas are as good as ours, we hadn’t really thought about it. Make your own choice”. I wanted what would have been canon and to be honest I don’t know how they write like that. How can they write a cliffhanger like that without knowing how they will resolve it? You know I think this is one of the problems the Once writers have. They come up with a really cool ending, and only when they come back after hiatus they realize they have written themselves into a corner.

Also I wrote up my happy ending possibilities for Rush and Mandy earlier like I promised you – link – I might have rambled a bit and showed my obsession love for Stargate. I apologize for that as you are SGU only and not Stargate as a whole.

I watched Stargate first. All of SG1 and all of Atlantis. I didn’t like SGU first time I tried it and quit after episode 4. Then I discovered Once Upon a Time and fell in love with Gold/Rumple. I was watching the show with a friend and they went on vacation and I had a week without watching and I went into withdrawal. I watched SGU because of Rush and by the time I reached episode 10 of season 1 I was officially hooked.

Oh you can also blame MGM for going bankrupt for the lack of Stargate. There was supposed to be an SG1 movie and an Atlantis movie (code-named Extinction and Evolution I think) but the bottom fell out of the direct to DVD market and the projects got shelved. As a last ditch attempt they pitched a combined SG1, Atlantis and Universe movie to tie up loose ends (like leaving everyone on Destiny and urk what happens to them???) but that never got off the ground.

Joe Flanigan (lead actor of Atlantis) apparently got full financial backing to buy the rights of the show from MGM to produce more of the franchise but the talks got suspended by MGM going bankrupt, then afterwards all new people were in the jobs and nobody was interested in a cash infusion (how does that make sense?) so the deal never happened. Now they have given the rights back to the original creators (Devlin and Emmerich) who don’t like the TV show and are rebooting using their original ideas only. Honestly guys how many people do you think know about Stargate from that one movie in 1994? vs how many people know about it from the 17 seasons on TV? Just saying.

So yeah TLDR: I agree with you completely. How could they end it like that? I want to know what happened next!

prissyhalliwell:

Kudos to all the beautiful souls in this fandom who create beautiful art and beautiful stories for us to see and to those who take the time to leave comments and host events for us to come together as a community. You all make the Rumbelle fandom a place worth being. Thank you.

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#I joined tumblr for this fandom#i love reading all the fics#and looking at all the awesome art#everyone has been nice#thank you so much everyone

July Camp NaNo Cabin

still-searching47:

Do any Rumbeller’s want to join my cabin for Camp? I know RCIJ finishes before the end of the month but for the first 20 days you could have a cheerleading squad. Actually the cabins are open now so yeah we could start early 🙂

I got 6 people in the cabin so far and I think that 12 is the maximum. I’m not sure but either way there are several open slots.

During the month I’m planning on running some sprints, and maybe posting a couple of challenges for those who miss them thanks to timezones, and I’m going to post some random daily facts. Don’t worry I’m not planning on spamming the cabin chat either. I just think it’s sad if days and days go by and nothing is said, kinda defeats the point of a cabin.

I have no idea how to tag this post. Anyway, I just thought I would make the offer. I’ve never run a cabin before and I’m just looking for friendly, enthusiastic people so naturally thought of you guys 🙂 Let me know.

I still have two spots in my Camp NaNo cabin if anyone wants to join 🙂

SGU Rush/Mandy Theories

Ok I said I wasn’t going to post this until @sarashouldbestudying had finished watching the show because of spoilers. However, I can’t take the sadness. So just, you know, don’t read it until you have watched Gauntlet. Oh and @violetfaust you said you wanted in on the theories, so here they are 🙂

I have said a few times I’m not a Rush/Mandy shipper but I can still think of several happy ending’s for them. I’m just going to throw these theories out there and you can pick one/all/none for a fix-it for canon if you want to do that.

Right so my theories of how they can still be together and be happy …

1) Stasis pods
There was this episode of Stargate Atlantis, season 2, episode 9 ‘Aurora’ where the team found an Ancient ship drifting in space. On board they found the entire crew in stasis pods.

McKay found that if they entered a stasis pod then they could interact with the crew. All the pods were linked to a sort of simulation and the crew actually weren’t even aware that they were in stasis, they weren’t aware of how much time had passed, they were just happily living out their lives.

Destiny has already shown that the technology has this capability. Young experienced the simulation feature in the season 2, episode 6 ‘Trial and Error’ when he wasn’t even hooked up to anything. Mandy and Rush have already interacted via the chairs. I know that Eli locked up Mandy’s program on the mainframe but I think Destiny is self-aware and can undo whatever it likes.

When they go into stasis in Gauntlet (and yes this is where spoilers come in so please read at your own risk) they hope that they will be in stasis for three years. However, if Destiny drops out of FTL before reaching the next galaxy and just drifts there, it could be a thousand years. Rush and Mandy could live out a hundred simulated lifetimes.

2) Cloning technology
Mandy’s consciousness is stored on Destiny’s computer. In the season 6, episode 3 ‘Descent’ of SG1 the team are on a crashed Ha’tak. To cut a long story short they basically rescue a server shard before the ship explodes, which contains the consciousness of Thor, one of the Asgard, previously presumed dead after the events of the season five finale.

A few episodes later Thor re-appears in a new body. That was how the Asgard lived, they transferred consciousness between clones. Well Ba’al had the cloning technology. There is nothing to stop them from finding his facility, taking Mandy’s DNA (and DNA can survive centuries after death) and creating a new body for her and then downloading her consciousness from Destiny into the new body.

They don’t actually even need to use Ba’al’s tech either. They ran into clones on Atlantis. Carson Beckett was brought back to life thanks to a clone. In the season 3, episode 2 ‘Misbegotten’ Beckett is temporarily captured by Michael (one of the wraith) but he’s rescued and nobody thought anything of it. Until Beckett gets killed in the season 3, episode 17 ‘Sunday’ and then in season 4, episode 18 ‘The Kindred’ they raid one of Michael’s facilities and find Beckett! He says that he has been a prisoner for 2 years and basically “why didn’t you come find me?” and then they discover that he’s a clone.

He didn’t even realize he was a clone. He is still alive, still working for the Atlantis expedition. He was even the one that piloted Atlantis home from Pegasus in the series finale, so he’s trusted as well. No idea what they told his family, like “yeah we told you he was dead, that he had been blown up, had a funeral but yeah sort of not completely dead” or maybe Beckett just had to deal with being dead on Earth and not able to call his mom or anything. Ok, that’s sad. They were really close and everything.

The technology is out there.

3) Replicator technology
This is similar to the above theory but with a different example backing it up. That of Dr Elizabeth Weir. On Atlantis eventually there evolved two different forms of human-form replicator. One form was the standard replicator, and the other was basically flesh and blood but with healing nanites.

The cloning theory relies on them finding a facility that they don’t have, or potentially might have already been destroyed by someone. It is also a bit of a leap as if they did that for Mandy, then what’s to stop that from doing that for a ton of people? Slippery slope etc.

However, they have already taken Elizabeth Weir’s consciousness from the Atlantis computer and put it into a human-form replicator body. McKay did it and everyone yelled at him because he wasn’t supposed to and actually this didn’t end happily because Weir is drifting in space, effectively in suspended animation because they didn’t trust the replicators she had with her. So they tricked them into walking through a space gate and being in the atmosphere freezes them, rendering them harmless.

The rules on Atlantis are fairly fluid though and it’s not like Rush has ever been one to play by the rules. If he went ahead and did it, bringing Mandy to life, what are they going to do then? They won’t kill her, they might contain her for a bit but I mean these are the people that took a first prime (Teal’c) and put him on the frontline team. They didn’t let him leave the base unaccompanied, or live off base, until season 8 but he was allowed to live his life otherwise.

The same could be true for Mandy. She would have to live on Atlantis with Rush perhaps but would either of them argue about that? The IOA would think it a punishment and they would both secretly be laughing because best assignment ever!

4) The Chair
Mandy existed in Chloe’s mind, so did Ginn and they sort of traded control. Until they sucked the other two into the computer, giving Chloe her body back. What if they come across another colony of their descendants? Mandy is a very gifted scientist, that’s why Camille traded places with her for a month when they needed to fix the FTL drive back in season 1, episode 16 ‘Sabotage’ and would arguably be a very useful person to have.

In a greater good type scenario, somebody could volunteer to swap with her. Their mind would live within Destiny’s computer and Mandy could download into their body and have it for her own. Now, there is a ton of moral problems with this and I hesitate to list it as a theory. I really do not like it at all, I have the same distaste as I do with the stones. The whole body swap thing really creeps me out.

However, they have the technology and it is feasibly possible so it goes on the list.

5) Planet Builder Aliens
They didn’t really get bodies, they only managed a temporary fix of the crew left behind. However, they had power and it’s possible that maybe they could craft some kind of body for Mandy. I mean we so little about them, about their capabilities, about what their goals are. Who were they? Where did they come from? What is their history? etc.

We just don’t know enough about them but I list them as a possibility because they were advanced. They were also clearly curious about Destiny or they never would have sent the crew back. Joseph Mallozzi on his blog said that they intended to do more with them if the show hadn’t been cancelled. I also think that they would never have brought Mandy and Ginn back via Destiny’s computer if they didn’t intend to do something with them.

6) Alternate reality
Alternate realities are sometimes linked to time travel. For instance take the season 1, episode 8 ‘Time’. The reality that is the ‘home’ reality for our crew was the third one. The first happened and everyone died, the second (the one the episode followed) was influenced by the events of the first. Then the final reality, was influenced by the second.

I always found it quite sad that I expect everyone celebrated that they lived, that they ‘finally got it right’. I mean Rush actually says something along the lines of “next time we might not be so lucky as to get three attempts” or something like that, which glosses over the truth of what happened. They didn’t get three attempts. Those previous two realities – they happened, and those versions of them died. They were just as real, they had the same lives, the same hopes and the same dreams. They were just unfortunate to be reality one and two, not the final reality three.

However, alternate realities don’t have to be linked to time travel. I mean it’s the multiverse theory. For every decision made, go right or go left, a new branch of reality is created and then events unfold from that point. It’s the very basis of ‘what if’ fanfic. It takes a point in time and then creates an alternate reality from that point.

With time travel in the season 2, episode 12 ‘Twin Destinies’ we saw time travel again impact upon our reality, maybe us reality four or possibly five on the list (depending on if you count going back 2000 years, and going back 12 hours as merging into the same reality). Anyway, I’m still a little bitter that we didn’t get to keep double Rush for more than an episode because double Rush! What’s not to like? However, Telford came back to life via this method. His alternate self made it to Earth, where his current self got killed on alternate Destiny. That’s the point I’m trying to make.

The problem with time travel though is ok say Mandy went forward and not back, she wouldn’t have died and instead would have disappeared on her trip forward. Just like Sheppard did in the season 4, episode 20 ‘The Last Man’ when he went forward thousands of years into the future. She can’t go back and into our reality either because she’s dead. It’s a bit like what Rumple says ‘Dead is dead’.

With alternate realities she wouldn’t be exactly the same person. A bit like how there was alternate geeky Carter and Daniel in the season 8, episode 19/20 ‘Moebius’ of SG1. At the core they were the same people but they had been shaped by different experiences. In this example Carter had never joined the military but she was still brilliant, still brave and still very attracted to one Jack O’Neill.

There are many different ways of travelling between realities. Carter did it in season 10, episode 13 ‘The Road Not Taken’ of SG1 using an Ancient device built by Merlin. That device wasn’t supposed to do that, it was an accident during an experiment. Also on SG1 there was the quantum mirror first discovered in the season 1, episode 19 ‘There but for the grace of god’ and of course my personal favorite the alternate reality drive built by our very own SGC. McKay claimed credit for it in the season 5, episode 4 ‘The Daedalus Variations’.

Imagine this, an alternate reality, has the alternate reality drive and thinks that they are back in their reality. They gate to Destiny. I have several theories as to how there could be relatively easy travel between Earth and Destiny but that’s for another post. Anyway, but after they get to Destiny they realize ooops – not their reality. Rush is very surprised to see the Destiny gate spit out Mandy and of course then they are trapped because Destiny can’t dial back out – not enough power.

She could still be the same person inside but her reality is a bit different for some reason, I mean obviously something would be different or they wouldn’t have the alternate reality tech.

I have some issues with this theory too because aren’t you just replacing someone then with a copy of them? Isn’t that a bit wrong somehow? Not sure.

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Actually that’s all I can think of right now. I thought I had more theories but I’d never actually written them down. Besides I think I’ve rambled on long enough, especially about alternate realities and time travel. They are very complex plot devices but used correctly they can be awesome.

I mean – double Rush, what’s not to like?

So yeah anyway, this is kinda off the top of my head. There may be more ways but none I can think of right this second.

There is hope.

Just something I forgot to say

sarashouldbestudying:

So apparently Rush doesn’t love Mandy?

I refuse to believe that. Like, if the way Nicholas looks at her it’s not love, then I don’t know what Love is.

We’re talking about the man who spent one whole year working himself into exhaustion to make the ship work, to understand and control its systems, yet the moment he has a chance to spend some quality time *wink wink* with Mandy he drops everything and goes like “Fuck the ship. Or, rather, I’ll fuck Mandy”. 

Seriously, that’s love. 

This is from a non-shipper perspective but I don’t think the problem was ever that Rush didn’t love Mandy. Even as a non-shipper I’m certain that he did love her and that he loved her a great deal. They were a canon ship for all that I didn’t ship it, if that makes sense. Rush did love her.

However, he didn’t love her the same way that she loved him. That doesn’t mean that he loved her any less than she loved him, it doesn’t mean that he didn’t love her, it just means his love was different.

I believe that how we love someone is mixed up with why we love them and of course they are different people. So the traits that Mandy admired and loved in Rush, would be different from the ones that he loved about her. Plus Rush still loves Gloria, he will always love his wife and I don’t think that is wrong. She’s dead, love doesn’t stop with death. That doesn’t mean he can’t move on and love someone else, but part of his heart will always belong to Gloria.

Mandy made a mistake, she used her love for Rush as the template. He didn’t love her exactly how she loved him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. He did love her.

For your Rushbelle fic. What is Belle’s backstory for that? We didn’t see much of her reaction to Rush’s confession at the end about his wife. Is she moving on from a similar trauma with Gold? Or did she turn to academia/research to escape her father’s matchmaking with Gaston? How did she become involved with the Stargate program and wind up on Destiny? What is her specialism on Destiny? Most importantly is there going to be more and a happy ending?

sarashouldbestudying:

(Thank you because you always send me asks and generally talk a lot to me about SGU/my fics)

Well, my idea is that Belle just never met Gold. She’s just like any other AU Belle, but instead of a grumpy pawnbroker she found an even grumpier scientist. I do write angst, but I just couldn’t bring myself to write about Belle falling in love with Rush after losing Rumple. Especially since they not only look alike, but they’re also alike in personality. It would have felt strange >.<

Belle is an archaeologist, but what she does for the Stargate Program is something unique, because it’s obviously not something that is taught in college. She studies the Gates and the Ancients, trying to understand what was the gates’ function and meaning beside the obvious “really fast travel” option. Pretty much like we keep wondering what Stonehenge was for, just on a much bigger level. She also knows the Ancient language perfectly, and is trying to analyze it to see if there were any changes in it throughout time. 

She ended up on the Stargate program because she was one of the best in her field, and because she really has no sense of self preservation. A dangerous, secret work that would give her access to incredible knowledge and give her a chance to escape her over protective and slightly-suffocating father? She accepted the work without a second thought.

Beside the slight inconvenience of being stranded on a spaceship on the other side of the universe, Belle secretly enjoys Destiny much more than she’d like to admit to anyone, except Rush. They share this enthusiasm for Destiny because yes, we might die at every moment but we’re doing it FOR SCIENCE.

Belle and Rush knew each other barely more than by name before Destiny, but Belle was already curious about the grumpy scientist. During the very first days on board they argued because Belle kept trying to explore the ship and Rush was trying to keep her from doing any damage. Once he actually got some sleep and started getting used to the lack of caffeine and nicotine, things got better. She still spends most of her time exploring the ship, both to localize damages or stuff they can use and to see if she can learn anything more about the Ancients as a society. 

Will there be more of this fic? Idk. I do have lots of ideas for S1, but I’m not sure about S2, because Belle’s presence would change a lot of things. Anyway I can’t imagine writing it before RCIJ ends, because I have to finish that first. 

I hope I answered everything 🙂

My pleasure 🙂 I like to support writers when I see TMI Tuesday pop up on my dash. I always think it’s sad if someone doesn’t get any asks. I struggle sometimes thinking of questions to ask but I do my best. As for SGU, I love the entire Stargate franchise, I could talk all day about it. Nicholas Rush is my favourite from SGU so yeah – Team Rush! 🙂

I don’t know if you have seen SG1 or Atlantis but they did say in Atlantis, the hologram in the first two-parter episode ‘Rising’ in season one, why they built Stargates in Pegasus. To allow the second evolution to journey among the stars and foster understanding and trade for those that weren’t developed enough to travel through space on their own.

When I hear that explanation and then I think about the space gates I just laugh. The second evolution would have been on foot and their technology didn’t include MALP’s so the first they would have known of a space gate is stepping through and dying. Do that a couple of times and that gate address would have been blacklisted among that planet but they wouldn’t know what was so deadly about it.

Obviously the second evolution wasn’t why they built the Stargates initially because that came millions of years after the gates were first produced. That is actually what is so damn fascinating about the Stargate franchise. It has this tremendous backstory to it. One of the Alteran’s had the idea for the Stargate when they left their home galaxy to avoid civil war with the majority of their brethren (who would become the Ori) and one of the first gates they built was the Earth gate which we found in Antarctica.

We don’t know how long it took them to build the gate, or how they developed one gate into a network of gates. To be fair I think the Alteran’s (or Ancients as they become known) were very much – FOR SCIENCE – in terms of their reasoning. Although unfortunately that did seem to have a detrimental effect on their common sense.

We also don’t know much about Ancient culture. We tend to think of them as scientists because we know them for their technology. However, my headcanon is that their society was as diverse as ours is and only a small fraction of their population were scientists. Otherwise how could their civilization have been as vast as it was? They needed people to build things, to produce food, clothing etc. There is some evidence for this because the SGC met some Ancients on Atlantis through stasis/time delay/time travel weirdness and they had regular soldiers etc.

Belle’s job would be mega important and I bet Daniel Jackson loved her! Maybe he’s the one that recruited her? I can just imagine Belle being frustrated with him though because Daniel ascended twice and remembers nothing from that time.

Erm yeah I think I’ve gone on a bit /hides

Tuesday Writing Marathon

To cut a long story short I have a recurring problem with my left arm. Which basically means I can only type one handed right now because it hurts too much to use my left.

I have always sucked at using dictation software. I loathe the sound of my own voice and my brain and my mouth don’t seem to communicate like my brain and my hands do. Everything always comes out really stifled and stilted which means I need to practice. It’s Camp NaNo next month and I have a novel to write!

I’m planning on spending the day writing my RCIJ and my season six fic but prompts are welcome for drabbles if anyone feels like it.

Could be fun 🙂

#I have all day#it is tuesday after all#let’s hope I don’t regret this later#prompt away

#I don’t know if anyone is still doing this#but I need to get used to voice dictation#typing one handed is hard

WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU MEAN “AMANDA PERRY IS DEAD?” I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THIS F*CKING BULLS*IT AS CANON.

sarashouldbestudying:

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Nein.

No.

Fanculo. 

Keep watching. It’s not the end and in fact if the show had continued this could have worked out even better for them. Full disclosure I never shipped them. However, I can still think of multiple ways they could get their happy ending.

I won’t tell you my theories now because that will spoil twists for upcoming episodes. When you have gone past that point, you’ll either know what I’m hinting towards or I’ll tell you 🙂

2×06

sarashouldbestudying:

That was one really good episode. 

Man you are powering through these! I don’t blame you though, I think I did the same. Once there were enemies to fight the show picked up a bit. The survival struggle was interesting but there’s nothing like a good enemy.

I miss Stargate. 354 episodes in 17 seasons, and 2 TV movies was just not enough. The rebooted movies are going to ignore all of the TV canon and just use the 1994 movie as source material.

I want to know what happened after the end of SGU. I want to know what happened to Atlantis, I know there’s the book series but it’s not the same. I want to know what happened when the secret finally broke and they revealed the Stargate to the world. They weren’t done, there was more to explore, there was still so much potential.

Sometimes I like to daydream. Star Trek is getting a new TV series next year. In an alternate universe where pigs fly etc. maybe Stargate could get a new TV show too.

Anyway, you have so much coming up in the rest of the season! I can’t wait to read your reactions 🙂