The Island – Rumbelle style

I just saw this movie, had no idea what to expect and it was actually pretty good, ludicrous continual survival aside (falling sign over 70 stories without a scratch?) and seeing as my brain is clearly got a one track mind at the moment I started thinking Rumbelle.

Rumple would be Lincoln and Belle Jordan obviously. The director the Blue Fairy or Cora.

Need to twist it a little. Maybe have Rumple start dreaming of his son and then one day he sees him in the mess hall. New guy, Neal Helo Six and then he disappears to go to the island after just a couple of months but Rumple has been questioning the whole thing, in his cynical sarcastic manner. He investigates and finds out there is no island but where is his son? Then Belle gets called and so he saves her and the two of them go on the run.

Rumple winds up face to face with the sponsors. His counterpart is like Rumple at his worst, has thrown himself into his work, provided everything Neal wants except for time with his father. Rumple’s counterpart obviously doesn’t care about the clones, they fulfill their purpose which is saving his family.

Neal however talks to clone Rumple and it’s like a warmer version of his father, that he remembered from when he was young before his dad started making so much money which changed everything. Neal wants to help. They find out that Belle’s sponsor needs a liver transplant or she’ll die and she has a kid. Now you can give a liver without dying.

Neal tells his dad that it has to stop, that he’s grateful for his life (which his clone saved) but not at the price that was paid. That the clones clearly aren’t just meatbags, that they know what it is to live and to love, to fear and to want to survive.

The program gets unmasked. Belle voluntarily saves her sponsor. There’s a firestorm over whether clones should have rights or not. In the end the facility stays intact but they don’t kill the clones after they have given birth, donated an organ etc. If what is needed would kill them then that is the clones choice. I mean free will goes both ways. I can believe that some of the clones would think it their purpose in life. They don’t make anymore clones. The program is shut down until they work out how to do it without waking them up. They let all existing clones live and of course Rumple and Belle are happy together.

So a slightly happier end to the film. I know that what I just said happened to the clones wasn’t great but to be honest the end of the actual film kinda sucked. So what the clones know the truth? You think that would stop a company with that much money involved. They would bomb the entire facility and start again before they let it leak out and that shot of the boat aside, all we saw were the clones standing on the mountain – clumped up together and easy targets.

Alternately could go along with the film and pretend that what happened next was rosy. I mean I wish I could believe it turned out well. Lincoln and Jordan fought so hard to survive and then they went back to help the others, to do the right thing. They are good people and deserve the best. I’m just a bit cynical I guess.

Yeah good film.

Rumbaby God Parents!

violetfaust:

still-searching47:

betsypaige22:

grace52373:

Emilie suggested Snow and Charming and I wish someone told her what Snow did because I doubt she would think they would be good God parents after putting Belle and her baby in danger so here is my list of better God Parents for the Rumbaby!

Ruby and Dorothy

Archie

Leroy

Granny

Mulan

I can’t think of anymore. Any suggestions or do you think I picked some decent ones?

Also petition for the so-called heroes especially Snow to get what they deserve 2k16!

I’m not going to criticize Emilie for her answer to this question……..but anyway…..

No Ruby – and not Dorothy when Belle has no idea who she is.

I’m Jewish and we don’t have Godparents, so I’m not even sure what responsibilities they have. I think Archie is really the only good choice because he cares about both Rumple and Belle whereas, as much as I love Granny and Leroy, they don’t like Rumple.

People choose godparents for different reasons. On this show I think godparents who would take care of the kid if something happened to Rumple and Belle would be a good idea. There’s a lot of getting sucked into portals going around.

The problem with picking someone is that nobody on the show really seems to like Rumple or view him as anything other than the big bad evil dark one which is so unfair. He’s so much more than that.

Also another problem is picking someone who will stay in the same realm as the kid – way too much realm hopping going on.

I agree that I think Archie would be a good choice if only because he would treat the child fairly. Whatever his views on Rumple or Belle, he would be good to the kid because it’s innocent. He wouldn’t blame the kid for the ‘darkness’ of their father.

I also think Mulan would be a reasonable choice if we could get her in the same realm. So far we’ve seen her as pretty non-judgmental. I think she would protect the kid, giving practical protection, advice and support, as a counter point to Archie’s care and understanding. She’s so unflappable, she just takes things as they come and she is good with people as we saw with her training of Merida.

Now three is usually traditional but thinking of a third is difficult. I think it has to be someone from the Charming clan. In event of catastrophe Archie would be the day to day guardian with Mulan a close second. However, given the position the Charming’s have, I think it would be a mistake to sideline them. Far better to give them an interest in the child.

On that basis which of clan Charming would be the best choice? I’m going to say Henry. I know he’s young but it’s purely an emotional pull. He is family, he’s be the kids nephew. If he cares for the kid, there’s nothing clan Charming wouldn’t do for Henry so they would – hopefully – then protect the kid.

Yup so in summary my picks would be Archie, Mulan and Henry.

I actually do not think Snowing would be a bad choice, provided they stopped leaving babies while gallivanting in other realms and were willing to treat the Rumbambino as a human rather than imp spawn.

However my first choice will always be Jefferson. He might be a WEE bit unstable but he’s one of Rumple’s few friends, he seems to like Belle, and he’s an incredibly devoted dad who will do anything for his child. Plus Grace would make a great big sister.

I forgot about Jefferson!

This is what I get for not double checking. Although Jefferson was only on screen a couple of times. We saw that he worked for Rumple but was there any on screen evidence he was a friend?I know it’s common in fanfic and I tend to believe it because Jefferson is cool. I do like Jefferson.

He is a good dad. Much like Rumple he did what he had to so that Grace could have a better life. Anyway, Jefferson is a possibility which takes the number of potential candidates to four. Unless I’ve forgotten someone else.

My rationale mostly was who would be responsible? I just don’t think that is Snowing. I’m not saying they are bad people. It’s just for one they show a scandalous disregard for anyone that isn’t their own (Maleficent’s kid for example) and two they frequently abandon their own kids for the greater good.

I read this Harry Potter oneshot once where James and Lily asked Peter to be godfather and not Sirius. When Peter asked why James said “we don’t need someone who would die for Harry, we need someone who would live for him. We need someone who would change his nappies, soothe his nightmares at 3am, help him with his homework when he’s older etc.”

It was that kinda thinking I was trying to apply. Who would look beyond the kids parentage and give them a stable home should Rumple and Belle not be able to do that. Who would put the kid first?

Question – Kingdom of Avonlea

rowofstars:

standbyyourmantis:

silromen:

whitesheepcbd:

still-searching47:

I have read fanfic where Belle is Princess of Avonlea, who will one day be Queen. I have also read fanfic where she is the daughter of a border knight – Sir Maurice, who looks after a small area of the kingdom of Avonlea.

Now the Once Upon a Time wiki lists him as Sir Maurice – not King Maurice. However, in Skin Deep wasn’t he wearing a crown? I’m just wondering what it is in canon. I mean the whole arranged marriage for an army thing, makes Belle and Maurice sound more important than just a knight and his daughter.

So is Belle a Princess or just a Lady? Anyone know or is it up for debate and pick whatever option makes most sense for the story? I’m plotting something and I want to get it right.

That’s a question that’s been debated before, and as far as I know, the fandom never reached a satisfactory answer that we could all agree had been backed up by canon. The show runners seem to have left it deliberately vague. But I’ll signal boost you & see if anyone else wants to chime in on this.

Part of the fun of fanfic is that you can spin things any way you want without being overly concerned with canon!

That said, Sir Maurice just has a cool hat on in Skin Deep, not a crown, and Rumple talks about saving their “little town,” not their kingdom, so there are signs that he’s more of a lesser lord and definitely not a king. The ruling structure of the Enchanted Forest has never been fully defined, so it’s hard to say if Maurice is a knight or a successful merchant or what. I don’t know anything about historical hierarchies for comparison. Maybe someone else can shed some light?

I’ve always just gone with what worked for the story. Sometimes she’s the daughter of a knight, sometimes the princess of a small merchant kingdom. At this point, there really isn’t any one right answer so just do what you want. Nobody is going to pillory you in the town square on this one.

I suspect he wasn’t a king, but then in Her Handsome Hero this season, they made him one or made him higher ranking. I’m pretty sure I remember Gaston explicitly asking Belle to be his queen so that means someone in this is a prince or princess. I believe it’s Belle.

But exactly what Mantis said. Do want works for the story. That’s why it’s an AU. 🙂

Thanks for your answers guys! Super helpful. I really appreciate it 🙂

I’m going to make her a Princess (and eventual Queen) because it works better for the story. If the answer had been that she was definitely just a knights daughter, then I would have had her become Queen/ruler of the kingdom some other way, this just makes it simpler. I just wanted to get it right in the first place.

I guess I wasn’t sure what the canon was because canon isn’t sure. Maybe she started off just a noble but then as rowofstars said, they made her more later on. Anyway, it works.

Thank you!

What is True Love?

When it comes to true love on the show, that is sometimes up for debate. I have always thought true love should mean true acceptance. How can you truly love someone if you don’t love all of them? This is why I struggle to understand how people can be true love, if they haven’t known each other all that long.

True love might just be ‘soul mates’, sort of a magical connection and that is there whether the couple know one another or not. However, if this was 100% true, then true loves kiss would work when people had lost their memories. The show proved more than once, that the person with amnesia needed to start feeling love again (Snow to Charming for example when she took the potion) before the kiss would work.

However, this post isn’t really about the definition of true love. It’s about Rumplestiltskin and Belle and a theory I have about what went wrong in their relationship. How did we get from the true loves kiss in Skin Deep, to how their relationship progressed once they were reunited in Storybrooke?

In the episode ‘Our Decay’ Rumple finally stood up for himself. He told Belle that she loved all of him and I don’t think he was wrong. It wouldn’t have been true love if she hadn’t loved him as he was – and she met him as the dark one – after all the subsequent suffering she lost sight of that.

I know I said I wasn’t going to question the nature of true love. However, this does lead into my theory. I have questioned a few times how they were true love, given her intent when she kissed him was to break the curse of the dark one. I mean what did she say to Regina – “I could love him but something evil has taken root in him” – which suggests that she loved the man she thought he was under the curse, not who he actually was. I suppose it depends what she thought breaking that curse would do. Did she know it would take his power away? As I said at the top, I sometimes struggle to understand how true love can happen without true acceptance.

Anyway, they are true love and that is a fact. Therefore I choose to believe that is because Belle had true acceptance once. Perhaps at the beginning in Skin Deep it wasn’t something she consciously admitted because you aren’t supposed to love someone who is “dark”. Maybe she would have come to accept that if she had been able to return – “I’m coming back Rumple” – she declared right before Regina captured her and then she was locked up for a long time.

Rumple and Belle have been apart far more than they have ever been together. Imagine somewhere you went as a young kid, or something you did, or something you saw etc. and for years and years all you had was the memory. You then go back to that place, watch it again or go through the same experience but it’s different – it’s not what you remember.

If it’s supposed to be a good memory, over the years the mind romanticizes certain parts, plays up the good and obscures the bad. We’ll paint ourselves in better lights, we’ll give ourselves more noble reasons, we’ll ascribe more meaning or knowledge to the situation that only hindsight gave us, not something we knew at the time.

I wonder if that’s not what happened with Belle. She remembered loving Rumple but they never had a life together, not as a couple, and so she created a fantasy which didn’t match reality. She turned her memory of him, into something that he never was and I don’t think she even realizes that she did that. She keeps saying that he was different back then – but he was the dark one. He hasn’t changed.

How the warped memory affects their relationship
I’ve always thought that Belle constantly demanding he change and emotionally blackmailing him, to try and force him was wrong. She did that from the very beginning of their ‘reconciliation’ back in season two. “I thought you changed.” and Rumple says “What in the hour you’ve known me.” or words to that effect. She walked out but then she came back. She’s said a couple of times in different ways “promise me and then we can be together”.

Now I get couples need to compromise, work together, make sacrifices etc. but using love against someone, threatening to withhold it if they don’t do what you want is bad. I’m hesitant to label it abuse but it certainly isn’t nice. I know when it comes to Rumple and Belle, the haters of their relationship always think that Rumple abuses Belle, but to be honest I’ve always thought it more the other way round.

Rumple does lie to Belle but only because he’s scared of her reaction. He has this belief that if he’s not perfect she’ll leave him – and that belief is just justified because that’s what she does, all the damn time.

Well finally he stood up for himself. – “But if you want me to be a different man… I’m sorry. This is who I am.” – Why is that wrong? If the situation was reversed and he demanded she change for him then everyone would be up in arms.

Loving someone is accepting them for who they are. Belle once told Neal she loved Rumple – “all of him, even the parts that belong to the darkness” – but those are just words. In actions, certainly in all their recent interactions, there has been no acceptance of the darkness.

I’ve never quite got why Belle kept saying he had to choose. Having power doesn’t mean he loves her any less. I think maybe she got scared about what that power could lead too. Given Regina, the curse, Lacey etc. it wouldn’t be unreasonable for her to have a fear of magic. She once saw magic kill Rumple, and then it killed Neal and then Rumple was never the same.

After he was free from Zelena, the darkness took over and Rumple lost control. He went after the hat because he thought that would save him. The dagger made him a slave, I can certainly understand the fear of being controlled. The first thing Zelena ordered him to do was kill Belle. He said in Our Decay that he “loved the dagger” but it’s the power the dagger represents.

Belle once used the gauntlet and she thought that power was what he loved most. I think it’s pretty much accepted in the Rumbelle fandom that the gauntlet showed his weakness not what he loved the most – Belle has always been his strength. I really don’t see why he can’t have both, his magic and Belle. She first fell in love with him as the dark one – a sorcerer – so why should he now have to be anything less than himself?

Rumple said that Belle would see that “he was right” and I certainly hope she does. I think he is right. She said that she couldn’t condone him being like this again – but why not? What exactly is she objecting to? Rumple never did anything ‘villainous’ until after Zelena had killed his son, tortured him for a year and the darkness took hold of his heart. Oh sure he was never a saint but was he such a danger to the town when he worked with them against Cora? allied with them in Neverland to find Henry? defeated Pan?

I have written before that I don’t think anyone is all good, or all evil – we are both. Life isn’t so black and white, it’s just all shades of grey. I’ve long thought so-called villains made the best heroes, precisely because they will do what is necessary to get the job done. They don’t have the hangups about ‘I can go this far, but not that far’ and so they are a lot more successful than people that hamstring themselves.

In ‘Her Handsome Hero’ Rumple basically talked so much sense. It was like he finally understood the truth about darkness and light, perhaps even found that prophesied balance. Belle on the other hand was pretty sanctimonious and then after the events with Gaston, rather than giving her a reality check it pushed her the other way.

I’m wondering if maybe this sleeping curse is a good thing because she is now trapped in the hall of mirrors. All she can do is reflect on her life and maybe a period of introspection will give her the time, and the space, that she needs to realize the truth of the matter. That Rumple is the same man now, that he has always been – her true love.

I firmly believe Rumple’s true loves kiss didn’t work in the underworld because he didn’t believe that it would. If he had faith in himself, in that Belle did actually love him, then it would have been fine. However, he’s taken too many knocks to have that certainty.

It’s like they are fighting between what they consciously try and think, and what they know deep down in their subconscious. I thought it was very telling that Belle kept correcting people that Rumple was her husband, that her first thought on arriving in the underworld was that Rumple needed her – that she went to look for him straight away.

Basically Rumbelle’s biggest problem is their failure to communicate. However, I have every faith that they can do it because they are true love. So long as they love one another, everything else should hopefully work out. That might be dangerously naive of me but if the canon on the show lets me down, there’s always fanfic.

Spin-off for the spinner

Quoting Emospritelet earlier made me think of Marvel’s Most Wanted, the ‘maybe’ spin-off from Agents of Shield. That takes two of my favourite characters (Hunter and Bobbi) and gives them their own show. I’m not exactly wild about the premise, I thought the whole disavowed thing didn’t make sense but ignoring that, it’s going to be the Hunter and Bobbi show – that’s cool!

Which made me think that I would watch the hell out of the Rumple and Belle show. Not going to lie I would seriously miss Regina, or at least old Regina who straddled the line between villain and hero in the best possible way, much like Gold when he decided to do something good.

So how could a spin-off work? I’m not going to lie, imagine a prequel show set around the Dark Castle, with the plot of the week being Rumple’s deals. I mean it’s not like prequel shows are unheard of, how popular was Smallville? So it could totally work.

Anyone else got any ideas?

#i can dream right#spin-off#wishful thinking

Days like today …

,… are days I wish I still wrote fanfic. Perhaps more accurately, days like today remind me why I started writing fanfic in the first place.

I’m kinda wishing I hadn’t checked tumblr this morning. I could have done without those spoilers until next wednesday when I can see the new episode on netflix (I’m UK based). I could have had another few days of blissful ignorance.

I have to say my tendency with fanfic would be to undo some of what has already been done. However, to quote the man himself – “what you’ve done can not be undone” – and so maybe I can brainstorm how it could be fixed from now on.

Wow this is hard. I will have to think more on this. Do you think maybe this is why the writers have trouble? They write something and then realize they have written themselves into a corner, so they have to do crazy unrealistic character-wrecking stuff to get out of said corner?

So long as the show is on air, and the writers don’t go so far down the rabbit hole they can’t return, there is still hope – the possibility of that happy ending is a powerful thing.

“I learned a long time ago, that when you find something that is worth fighting for then you never give up.”

That applies to Rumbelle, OutlawQueen, the show in general. This is not the end – not yet anyway.

Full disclosure I don’t ship OutlawQueen but if the spoilers are in any way accurate then man I feel so sorry for those guys, because however you ship that is just wrong. It’s like character bashing in fanfic, it can be kinda funny sometimes – in fanfic! This is supposed to be canon and they are supposed to be better than that.

Oh man I need to go read Robin4′s ‘Remember’ or something for like the 10th time. Just pretend it’s canon.

these spoilers suck#writers fix it please