I’m watching Voyager and I have stars in my eyes 🤩 😍

“It is puzzling. You made me into an individual. You encouraged me to stop thinking like a member of the collective, to cultivate my independence and my humanity but when I try to assert that independence I am punished.”

“Individuality has its limits. Especially on a starship where there is a command structure.”

“I believe that you are punishing me because I do not think the way that you do, because I am not becoming more like you. You claim to respect my individuality but in fact you are frightened by it.”

I don’t know that just really resonated with me

Bearing in mind this is my first watch through of Voyager. Janeway at the moment seems to view Seven as like a pet. She wants to use Seven’s skills and her knowledge, she wants to feel good about teaching Seven how to ‘human’. Like Seven is a walking example of what a good person Janeway is. But I’m not getting the sense at the moment that Janeway really sees Seven as that individual. It’s more like someone who can’t be trusted to make the right decisions for themselves so Janeway wants control. That could be a bad read. I know a lot of people ship them. Thus far I’m not getting that at all

@Julie

Same, I never got a romantic vibe at all. I used to get maternal from Janeway and now I don’t even know anymore because it’s… complicated

Yeah I can see parental but in a bit of a self-serving kinda way. Like I’m sure Janeway cares. But Janeway isn’t the “I want what is right for you whatever that is” parent. She’s the “I want what I think is best for you as I know best” parent.

I just watched Prey so 4.16. Hence quoting from the end scene as that hit me hard. I think I saw myself in Seven’s words there about mixed messages and double standards and never quite understanding and always getting it wrong.