Hi, I’m not being hostile I get how everyone sees their faves. But about the Cinderella thing from the Hook ask, u don’t see asking for someone’s baby being “more than what they can pay”? David already knew that it’s how he and his twin were separated & how he ended up in the George situation to start with. If Snow overheard stuff as a kid she may also know Cora made a deal for her firstborn too & look what he turned Regina into. I can see why they’d see Rumple as dangerous, in a deal like that.

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Hey, honestly I’m enjoying the debate. Thank you for coming back and sending another message 🙂

Rumple’s deal with Cora was void for two reasons. 1) He changed the deal so it would be his child, Cora actually says this on the show “any child I have won’t be yours” and 2) The deal was for Cora’s firstborn but unknown to Rumple at the time her firstborn was Zelena, who as far as Cora knew was dead. It was a very clever deal Cora made, one she had no intention of ever honoring.

Yes I suppose you could argue that Rumple “took” Regina anyway. However, he never forced Regina to do anything. He gave her the tools and she made her own choices. Yes I suppose it was a bit like giving a pyromaniac access to matches and gasoline. Rumple knew what Regina was going to do – he was counting on it, and he definitely manipulated the situation to prompt her to choose the path he wanted. Anyway, whatever happened with Regina wasn’t anything to do with a firstborn deal.

In regards to the “more than they can pay” comment. I said that about the deals Rumple had made with Snow and Charming. I also questioned what he had done to them specifically that would have Charming label him as the ‘scourge of the realms’. From everything I saw about Rumple’s interaction with Snow and Charming prior to the Dark Curse, he only ever got them what they needed. They actively sought him out on several occasions. Then once they had ‘taken back the kingdom’ and didn’t need him anymore, that was it.

I would have thought that given their own interactions with him, talking would have been a good first response with the Cinderella situation but then I guess Rumple knew they wouldn’t do that. He specifically engineered the situation so that he could be locked up, it was part of his grand plan. He needed to be locked up, perhaps to present as weak to Regina, or something else but either way it was where he wanted to be. He knew they wouldn’t treat him fairly – he was counting on that in fact, which I find quite sad to be honest.

Re: the Cinderella deal. 1) It was the height of foolishness for Cinderella to sign the contract without reading it, or asking him what he wanted. She made an assumption and that’s on her. She agreed to the deal without knowing what it was. However, we can excuse foolishness I guess. 2) Rumple never wanted her child. He changed the deal, something he never does so he got something he actually did want (which was far more useful) a favor from Emma. He was never going to take the baby.

Now you could successfully argue that nobody knew that Rumple never had any intention of taking the baby. You could also, as I said, excuse Cinderella’s foolishness. Then there was Rumple’s trademark “nobody breaks a deal with me” which yeah would be scary. I just do think that given how much Rumple helped Snow and Charming, to call him the scourge of the realms and lock him up with the rats, feeding him worms etc. was overkill for a first response.

Surely – given their experience with him – they should have tried something along the lines of “Rumplestiltskin, Cinderella made a terrible mistake, she should have read your contract and didn’t. She is sorry for that. Any chance we can make another deal, so she can keep her child and you still get what you need?” – sounds reasonable to me. After all that’s what Emma did.

Given Rumple wanted to be locked up he probably would have cackled evilly, said a deal was a deal and forced the situation anyway. I just think that tackling it like that would have reflected much better on Snow and Charming.